How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[gordondaviesmoustache]

No, it was a specific promise that if we left we would still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border. It wasn't conditional on a deal.

"WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE VOTE LEAVE?....

"There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it. We will take back the power to negotiate our own trade deals."

Specific promise where?

 

[blueinsa]

In a thread of constant bad news, let’s celebrate BMW announcing a multi million investment into its Oxford plant with news that 4000 jobs will be secured building its next ten mini.

Great news for the British car industry I’m sure everyone will agree?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

In a thread of constant bad news, let’s celebrate BMW announcing a multi million investment into its Oxford plant with news that 4000 jobs will be secured building its next ten mini.

Great news for the British car industry I’m sure everyone will agree?

It is good news and half a billion investment in the UK motoring industry is a big thing. However, I seem to remember this being reported in Feb/March this year with the government giving a decent incentive for them the stay after it being reported that they were moving production to China.

Is this a separate/bigger deal?

 

[Vic]

Specific promise where?

How much more do you need?

Gove set out to address that challenge, saying: “There is a free-trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in our out of the euro or EU. After we vote to leave we will remain in the zone."

Michael Gove’s problem is that a single market is more than just a tariff-free zone

One of the key ideas in Michael Gove’s recent, much-publicised Brexit speech was that the UK could rely on membership of a European free trade zone. This idea constitutes a bizarre historical thro…

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And Gove himself cited that promise when the possibility of No Deal was real so he couldn't support No Deal.

 

[Vic]

It is good news and half a billion investment in the UK motoring industry is a big thing. However, I seem to remember this being reported in Feb/March this year with the government giving a decent incentive for them the stay after it being reported that they were moving production to China.

Is this a separate/bigger deal?

£75m from the taxpayer (reportedly). Badenoch claiming we can give this state aid because we're not in the EU but complaining about the rules of origin rules in the deal we've got with the EU.

 

[BobKowalski]

In a thread of constant bad news, let’s celebrate BMW announcing a multi million investment into its Oxford plant with news that 4000 jobs will be secured building its next ten mini.

Great news for the British car industry I’m sure everyone will agree?

Yes in terms of people will not lose their jobs, and no because it highlights we are not in control. We are subject to EU leverage. It is laughable that a ‘Brexit boost’ is when the German car industry comes out in support of delaying implementation of Rules of Origin on electric vehicles and the EU ponders whether to do so or not - ie what is in their best interests.

It is the old truism that if you are not at the table you are on the menu. The UK is reduced to pleading its case, throwing taxpayer money into the mix and hoping EU interests align with our own.

We no longer have a voice in Europe. We used to shape and decide EU policy. Now we are subject to it. The strategic harm the Brexit vote has done to the UK will last for decades.

 

[BrianW]

And the reality is that the only viable alternative to joining the EU is to become some sort of associate, bound by their rules but not having any say in formulating them. (Or at best, very minimal say as a consultee.) This would be a better place than we are now, and if anyone starts getting prickly with national pride, remember that it was the hubris of nationalism that brought us here.

Indescribable folly. Words fucking fail me.

 

[yerwot?]

in days of yore, big factories meant big workforce, often involving shift work-premium wages. Those days will never come back, robotic manufacuring and now AI leaves human involvement/jobs a dying relic of the past. No trade or profession is safe, whilst unrestrained, unaccountable capitalism rules. The figures quoted, of how big the bribes of tax-payer money are meaningless, like most figures in the media. No-one sees the "books", apart from the very top tier who have a deeply vested interest in keeping them secret. The case in point, the BMW factory, is classic "presenting old news as good news" is just another blatant attempt to stem the tide of disastrous forecasts of voter intentions for the GE. Hopefully, it's a sign that the crucially important faction of the electorate, the dis-affected and politically inert, have been angered enough to get off their collective arse, go through the deliberate chicane at the ballot box, realise they have been lied to, led down the garden path by a corrupt mass media intent on a return to victorian levels of mass poverty. Even without them, tactical voting could be enough to put an end to this democracy-hating gang of fascists posing as a government......

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

in days of yore, big factories meant big workforce, often involving shift work-premium wages. Those days will never come back, robotic manufacuring and now AI leaves human involvement/jobs a dying relic of the past. No trade or profession is safe, whilst unrestrained, unaccountable capitalism rules. The figures quoted, of how big the bribes of tax-payer money are meaningless, like most figures in the media. No-one sees the "books", apart from the very top tier who have a deeply vested interest in keeping them secret. The case in point, the BMW factory, is classic "presenting old news as good news" is just another blatant attempt to stem the tide of disastrous forecasts of voter intentions for the GE. Hopefully, it's a sign that the crucially important faction of the electorate, the dis-affected and politically inert, have been angered enough to get off their collective arse, go through the deliberate chicane at the ballot box, realise they have been lied to, led down the garden path by a corrupt mass media intent on a return to victorian levels of mass poverty. Even without them, tactical voting could be enough to put an end to this democracy-hating gang of fascists posing as government.

Redirect Notice

 

[BrianW]

So we give state aid.
Then we subsidise wages with taxpayers' money through Universal Credit.

Socialism for the rich. Hard-nosed capitalism for the workers.

Can this model be sustained? Or is it destined to an inevitable collapse? The injustice of the arrangement is obvious.