How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[mexico1970]

We had border checks before the EEC and you didn’t have the right to live where you wanted even now you have to not be a burden and cannot transfer your qualifications

We have border checks now always have done because we didn't join the Schengen agreement, you needed a passport to travel when we were in the EU.

I and many many other people lived and worked all over Europe before the EU, all you needed was not to be a criminal and crack on.

 

[blueparrot]

Mate media studies IMHO isn't a skill, all you needed back in the day was no criminal record and a backbone and you could travel pretty most anywhere.

Oh, going to University isn't a measure of intelligence anymore. This isn't a dig at young people they are just young people I am just stating a fact that you could travel in the 60's and 70's without the permission of the EU.

Yes you could travel pre EU, yes you can travel now. Yet it was much easier in the EU,and so we've made it more difficult for people especially young people to travel, spend time and work in the EU. Why? for nor any single good reason.

 

[City Hobgoblin]

I'm currently having difficulty obtaining a couple of prescription meds. Have had a chat today at the Pharmacy and eventually they admitted the shortages are most likely due to Brexit.
Anyone else having similar problems?

 

[WRicko]

We have border checks now always have done because we didn't join the Shengen agreement, you needed a passport to travel when we were in the EU.

I and many many other people lived and worked all over Europe before the EU, all you needed was not to be a criminal and crack on.

You lived and worked in Europe before the EU or the EEC ?

Yes even in the EU we had border checks because we didn’t join Schengen. But checks were reduced. Now we are restricted on length of stay having left the EU so I think that has put us back to before EU or before EEC.

Even when in EU you had to register in the country you were in and not be a burden and certain qualifications where not recognized

So to suggest that before the EU you could do whatever you wanted before restrictions where reduced by the EU when the EU still had restrictions and I think now use that to suggest leaving was correct when it had increased restrictions is just daft

 

[mexico1970]

Before the EU or before the EEC ?

Before either, people have always travelled and we have always (In modern times) needed a passport to travel.

You could even go to the post office pay £20 and get a 3 month temp passport right there and then if you wanted to travel right then and there.

 

[mexico1970]

We had border checks before the EEC and you didn’t have the right to live where you wanted even now you have to not be a burden and cannot transfer your qualifications

How are you measuring intelligence ? Or transferable skills ?

Let’s assume you can go to university and study something worthless and be not very intelligent and voted remain. How do you compare this persons intelligence with let’s say a guy who is 60 voted leave. Did a trade but never studied anything maybe didn’t travel and see the world as much ?

You seem to be assuming young people are thick because they are young maybe not as experienced but at what point are we going to stop labeling them this ? 21 25 30 40 50 ?

Conversely older people often have had a more insular education and travelled less. Perhaps less likely to research the wider world

I am not saying young people are thick I am just saying that you could travel before the EU and after the EU and that you needed a passport to travel at all times in any era.

People travelled a lot, it wasn't all go to work down the pit eat coal and turn your nose up at spaghetti because it's foreign muck you know.

Do you understand that part, the point I was making?

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I think the answer might be BRENTER.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

We have border checks now always have done because we didn't join the Schengen agreement, you needed a passport to travel when we were in the EU.

I and many many other people lived and worked all over Europe before the EU, all you needed was not to be a criminal and crack on.

So you agree that as the UK was not a signatory to the Shengen agreement .... we never agreed to Freedom of movement .... and that the failure to send home people who were unemployed for more than 6 months , Convicted of a criminal offence imprisonable by 12 months or more ... was the fault of the party who you support and vote for ?

 

[blueparrot]

So you agree that as the UK was not a signatory to the Shengen agreement .... we never agreed to Freedom of movement .... and that the failure to send home people who were unemployed for more than 6 months , Convicted of a criminal offence imprisonable by 12 months or more ... was the fault of the party who you support and vote for ?

We weren’t in Schengen but we did agree to freedom of movement, a freedom we have now lost, it wasn’t optional.Though within that we still could return people that were unemployed as other EU members still can and you’re right it was the government that chose not to.

 

[blueish swede]

So you agree that as the UK was not a signatory to the Shengen agreement .... we never agreed to Freedom of movement .... and that the failure to send home people who were unemployed for more than 6 months , Convicted of a criminal offence imprisonable by 12 months or more ... was the fault of the party who you support and vote for ?

Freedom of movement gives EU citizens the right to reside and work in other countries and applies to all EU citizens and countries. Shengen is the removal of internal border checks when travelling. The two things are not the same.