How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[Mr Ed (The Stables)]

I don't think anyone thought that a common trading block was a bad thing back in 1974/1975.

So in 1975 I think we as a Country made the right decision in staying in "The Common Market".

The problem for me and many others, was the political alignment that came after the Maestict Treaty in the 1990's

Thats when the referundum should have happened, not in 2016 that was way to late and only called by Cameron to appease the Conservative Euro Sceptics within his party.

I think it's disgusting how he is back in Government after being made a Lord...........Eton and other schools like that are there for the privilged elite and the old school tie brigade, and thats the reality.

 

[blueloon]

we have seen nothing yet - wait until the full border checks come in on imports - costs and shortages will soar ( we have to do this after putting it off time and time again or fall foul of sanctions due to breaching WTO rules - and this lot seemed to think WTO had all the answers lol )

When (and if) these things happen we have to respond. It seems to be the modern way. People on both sides are constantly point scoring. Everytime they sting us we will sting them. At the core people need to work together. Unfortunately, that ship sailed. The UK and the EU are divorced. We are likely to see many years of tit for tat. There is no way back until the bitterness dies down. We are going to be living with the so called madness for years. We might as well try and make it work.

 

[East Level 2]

When (and if) these things happen we have to respond. It seems to be the modern way. People on both sides are constantly point scoring. Everytime they sting us we will sting them. At the core people need to work together. Unfortunately, that ship sailed. The UK and the EU are divorced. We are likely to see many years of tit for tat. There is no way back until the bitterness dies down. We are going to be living with the so called madness for years. We might as well try and make it work.

Is it really "tit for tat" when the EU are simply following the rules when dealing with countries that are not members?

 

[blueloon]

Is it really "tit for tat" when the EU are simply following the rules when dealing with countries that are not members?

This is happening on both sides. Whilst you are right, you are clearly on the other side. I suspect the UK will raise their game. It looks like we are heading for a trade war. It is going to get a lot nastier. The more I look at Brexit, the more I think what a waste of time. We they really serving the will of the people or were they just feathering their own nests? I choose not to consiously not pick sides, but when you were born and you live and work in Britain you should have some loyalty to the cause. If you are against much of what the country stands for I have to ask the question why you stay here? The reality is the EU care little for the loyalists that sit outside their boundaries. Maybe Britain feels the same about people in Northern Ireland and elsewhere. Is the union really that relevant in 2024?

 

[inbetween]

This is happening on both sides. Whilst you are right, you are clearly on the other side. I suspect the UK will raise their game. It looks like we are heading for a trade war. It is going to get a lot nastier. The more I look at Brexit, the more I think what a waste of time. We they really serving the will of the people or were they just feathering their own nests? I choose not to consiously not pick sides, but when you were born and you live and work in Britain you should have some loyalty to the cause. If you are against much of what the country stands for I have to ask the question why you stay here? The reality is the EU care little for the loyalists that sit outside their boundaries. Maybe Britain feels the same about people in Northern Ireland and elsewhere. Is the union really that relevant in 2024?

The realities of our economy unfortunately prove that Brexit was always going to cause us to suffer.

We are predominately a service economy and so as a result we're also predominately an import economy. However the problem with that is the majority of our imports come from Europe. This will not be balanced against increased exports because we're not moving towards a manufacturing economy. We won't suddenly manufacture 'more' just because we've left the EU. If anything it will get worse as companies will choose to base in the EU market which is larger and harmonised.

The release of regulation may benefit the service economy which trades globally but the problem with that is the majority of that service economy sits in London. The UK is very poorly regionalised and the power of the service economy barely really extends outside of London. This is why our transport system and investment outside of the M25 is a shambles, it's because the fact is there is no real economic benefit to improving it.

When you compare the UK to Germany, Berlin is a major high-tech service centre, Frankfurt is a major financial centre, Bavaria would be the 7th largest economy in the EU on its own. If you look at the UK outside of London, where is the second major centre and what is its focus? Even if you add the output of Manchester and Birmingham together that still only accounts for 1/5 the GDP output of London.

Brexit likely won't really affect London except for when it comes to people (jobs, visas etc) but will it affect places like Manchester or the North East where we still can rely on physical goods and manufacturing? Of course it will because the logistical complications have increased and the cost of importing and exporting has increased.

Brexit was a political question but it's totally impossible to prove that the economics of leaving the EU made any sense. It only made sense if we achieved the cake and eat it scenario but that was never going to happen.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

we have seen nothing yet - wait until the full border checks come in on imports - costs and shortages will soar ( we have to do this after putting it off time and time again or fall foul of sanctions due to breaching WTO rules - and this lot seemed to think WTO had all the answers lol )

Are you by any chance referring to the border checks on imports which were described as ‘an act of self-harm’ by one of brexit’s leading luminaries and proponents?

 

[blueloon]

The realities of our economy unfortunately prove that Brexit was always going to cause us to suffer.

We are predominately a service economy and so as a result we're also predominately an import economy. However the problem with that is the majority of our imports come from Europe. This will not be balanced against increased exports because we're not moving towards a manufacturing economy. We won't suddenly manufacture 'more' just because we've left the EU. If anything it will get worse as companies will choose to base in the EU market which is larger and harmonised.

The release of regulation may benefit the service economy which trades globally but the problem with that is the majority of that service economy sits in London. The UK is very poorly regionalised and the power of the service economy barely really extends outside of London. This is why our transport system and investment outside of the M25 is a shambles, it's because the fact is there is no real economic benefit to improving it.

When you compare the UK to Germany, Berlin is a major high-tech service centre, Frankfurt is a major financial centre, Bavaria would be the 7th largest economy in the EU on its own. If you look at the UK outside of London, where is the second major centre and what is its focus? Even if you add the output of Manchester and Birmingham together that still only accounts for 1/5 the GDP output of London.

Brexit likely won't really affect London except for when it comes to people (jobs, visas etc) but will it affect places like Manchester or the North East where we still can rely on physical goods and manufacturing? Of course it will because the logistical complications have increased and the cost of importing and exporting has increased.

Brexit was a political question but it's totally impossible to prove that the economics of leaving the EU made any sense. It only made sense if we achieved the cake and eat it scenario but that was never going to happe.

Time we sort out our own internal issues. If we fall on our arses, we pick ourselves up. The idea of independence is nice, but it shows us all that sometimes in life you have to be careful about what you wish for. Are we in a better place, probably not, are the other countries in Europe, probably not. If we are honest the world is in shite state and is going to be like that for some time yet.

 

[blueparrot]

When (and if) these things happen we have to respond. It seems to be the modern way. People on both sides are constantly point scoring. Everytime they sting us we will sting them. At the core people need to work together. Unfortunately, that ship sailed. The UK and the EU are divorced. We are likely to see many years of tit for tat. There is no way back until the bitterness dies down. We are going to be living with the so called madness for years. We might as well try and make it work.

The EU are merely impelmenting the rules we voted to have impelmented. The EU are quite prepared for the rules to work both ways and are well prepared and as they have a huge internal market probably couldn't care less. We on the other hand are unprepared and will care.

 

[blueloon]

The EU are merely impelmenting the rules we voted to have impelmented. The EU are quite prepared for the rules to work both ways and are well prepared and as they have a huge internal market probably couldn't care less. We on the other hand are unprepared and will care.

Let's see what happens.

 

[blueparrot]

Let's see what happens.

When? We shot ourselves in the foot,most accept that now, we'll see how it heals but we know it will never be as good as it was.