If Scotland did leave the UK, is it not conceivable that they would have a referendum about rejoining the EU before they would ever have one for rejoining the UK.Only issue with this argument is Independance day+1 and any talk of another referendum anytime down the line for reunification and well, you can guess what the answer to that will be from those who now want a vote as many times as they like, well, right up to the point they get the answer they want that is ;-)
Centuries? Pffft! A mere trifle to us Oirish.Exactly.
“You had a go 8 years ago and regardless of you voting for a party who told you they wanted another referendum, and you voted for them every election since, aware that another reference was the goal, you had a fat guy who said that it was only once in a generation, so sorry, you can’t have one.”
The utter fucking stupidity of that is bad enough. But for anyone on a political forum to repeat it, as if it had any merit, makes me understand a bit more why Tories keep winning in England.
Democracy is not stuck in time. Democracy reflects the views of the people through voting. People change their minds and have a right to. We haven’t voted for the Tories in over 70 years, yet we have been under their heel for the majority of that time.
I was never for Indy for the majority of my life. But, when you realise that England can’t get enough of the cunts, which I have said, is their right, we have to re examine our position. Labour are dead here now and sadly to get in have to become Red Tories. They committed political suicide and will only recover as a force here if they get behind Indy and slug it out after. I will never vote for them again. They betrayed us with their shoulder to shoulder Tory love in involvement in project fear. I hate them more than the Tories. They are traitors. I can understand enemies and even respect them in how they con working class people they care about them. Only seems to work in England, but it works. Traitors never. I used to be a member of Labour. We used to return 40+ MP’s, now it’s one. They will never be forgiven. We Scots can hold a grudge for fucking centuries.
Is that not part of your problem. If indeed you see it as a problem. In the first past the post system, people see such voting as not mattering or not counting. So by proxy their opinion doesn’t count. They are disenfranchised.The libdems have always seemed (to me) a bit of a cop out party, for people who refuse to vote for either of the 2 main parties. A vote splitter.
The UK would probably be better off without the lib dems..
Other parties, (greens etc) take up a very small portion of the total electorate, which makes negligible difference to the allocation of seats.
The FPTP system I have always thought of as not being quite right.Is that not part of your problem. If indeed you see it as a problem. In the first past the post system, people see such voting as not mattering or not counting. So by proxy their opinion doesn’t count. They are disenfranchised.
Just my opinion, but Proportional Representation is more Democratic and gives everyone a say.
It can and does lead to more coalition governments which some people feel is weaker leadership.
However, it works very well in many European countries and has become the norm here in Ireland.
It is inclined to put manners on the major parties.
The FPTP system I have always thought of as not being quite right.
I am unsure as to whether PR would be much better.
After all PR 'got brexit done'!
Another good reason for PR thenNo, FPTP got Brexit done. Under PR, I doubt we’d have even triggered article 50 yet.
Another good reason for PR then
A system where PR for the upper house is based on the GE vote could be a way for the supporters of the lesser parties to feel their vote counts for something.Is that not part of your problem. If indeed you see it as a problem. In the first past the post system, people see such voting as not mattering or not counting. So by proxy their opinion doesn’t count. They are disenfranchised.
Just my opinion, but Proportional Representation is more Democratic and gives everyone a say.
It can and does lead to more coalition governments which some people feel is weaker leadership.
However, it works very well in many European countries and has become the norm here in Ireland.
It is inclined to put manners on the major parties.
Not sure what the logic behind that is.After all PR 'got brexit done'!