How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

But you all just come out with the same boring crap. It’s as though your all pre programmed.
Always going on about what’s wrong then spouting some outdated ideology to cure all ills that never works in the real world.
Anyway, it is time to move on as I am not going to change anyone’s views or them mine.
Finally, good luck with the Independence vote. If I had a vote I would be quite happy to cast them off and wish them well on their journey Taking their fair share of the National Debt with them of course.
Whether we come out with “boring crap“ or not is subjective. You believe it is, yet you still feel compelled to respond to said “boring crap.”

You’ve been “moving on” for the past few days, without actually moving on or adding to the debate.

All we’ve established is that you are affluent enough not to be arsed what happens politically and have zero empathy for anyone who isn’t affluent enough for it not to matter.
 
Whether we come out with “boring crap“ or not is subjective. You believe it is, yet you still feel compelled to respond to said “boring crap.”

You’ve been “moving on” for the past few days, without actually moving on or adding to the debate.

All we’ve established is that you are affluent enough not to be arsed what happens politically and have zero empathy for anyone who isn’t affluent enough for it not to matter.
He's managed to demonstrate the point I made to @blueinsa that it's the English Brexiteers that want the union to break up so I'll give him credit for that.
 
He's managed to demonstrate the point I made to @blueinsa that it's the English Brexiteers that want the union to break up so I'll give him credit for that.

I think Scottish nationalists will have a greater influence and say and it pre dates brexit mate ;-)
 
I think Scottish nationalists will have a greater influence and say and it pre dates brexit mate ;-)
It won't though, the Scottish nationalists will have voted Yes last time and will again. The difference makers if there is a Yes vote will be those that voted No last time. So those that aren't Scottish Nationalist for ideological reasons will be the ones with the biggest influence,and their reasons for a change of heart..
 
Tell me one thing a politician has ever done that has been life changing for you personally, just one,you don’t have to struggle with a list
Changing from house rates to poll tax messed up my household budget completely.
Privatising British Rail.
Changing the married persons tax allowance.
Brexit.
Increasing the age at which I can draw my state pension.
All have negatively impacted my life
All introduced by a tory government!
 
Repeating Tory talking points is a bit pointless isn't it?

Brexiteers like yourself gave fresh momentum to indyref2 by dragging us all out of the EU. By doing so you changed the nature of the union between England and Scotland.

So by that logic they have they right to another vote. It is no good Brexiteers banging on about democracy and then denying Scotland the right to have another vote.

And on a general point as I can't remember if you have posted about sovereignty/supremacy of Parliament before.

It is also quite hypocritical of English voters who champion the supremacy of Parliament and that no Parliament can bind its successors to then bang on about something that may or not have been said in 2014 when Scotland have had several elections since especially when the Brexit referendum was only ever advisory.
Scotland , as part of the UK, were part of the leave vote, so they have to abide by that.
(I won't go down the Highland clearances road.)
Somewhere along the line the brexit 'advisory' referendum became full and binding. How did that happen?
 
Scotland , as part of the UK, were part of the leave vote, so they have to abide by that.
(I won't go down the Highland clearances road.)
Somewhere along the line the brexit 'advisory' referendum became full and binding. How did that happen?

What does Scotland get as concessions for leaving the EU "against their will" though?

Has Brexit been beneficial to their economy?

Have the EU development funds previously distributed in Scotland been adequately replaced by a UK equivalent?*

*I know the same thing applies to Wales and Cornwall etc, but those idiots were stupid enough to shit in their own beds.

The referendum result never became legally binding, if the libdems and Labour had managed to form a coalition afterwards they could have thrown the whole thing out and cancelled Brexit.

Parliaments cannot bind their successors, that is the maxim of Parliamentary sovereignty.

We elect representatives to parliament not delegates, they are free to vote however they see fit.

Other countries have binding referendums as part of their constitutional set up (that can only be reversed by further referendums) but this is not true of the UK.
 
It won't though, the Scottish nationalists will have voted Yes last time and will again. The difference makers if there is a Yes vote will be those that voted No last time. So those that aren't Scottish Nationalist for ideological reasons will be the ones with the biggest influence,and their reasons for a change of heart..

Well English brexit supporters won’t be voting will they and that was what I responded to.
 
What does Scotland get as concessions for leaving the EU "against their will" though?

Has Brexit been beneficial to their economy?

Have the EU development funds previously distributed in Scotland been adequately replaced by a UK equivalent?*

*I know the same thing applies to Wales and Cornwall etc, but those idiots were stupid enough to shit in their own beds.

The referendum result never became legally binding, if the libdems and Labour had managed to form a coalition afterwards they could have thrown the whole thing out and cancelled Brexit.

Parliaments cannot bind their successors, that is the maxim of Parliamentary sovereignty.

We elect representatives to parliament not delegates, they are free to vote however they see fit.

Other countries have binding referendums as part of their constitutional set up (that can only be reversed by further referendums) but this is not true of the UK.
The libdems have always seemed (to me) a bit of a cop out party, for people who refuse to vote for either of the 2 main parties. A vote splitter.
The UK would probably be better off without the lib dems..
Other parties, (greens etc) take up a very small portion of the total electorate, which makes negligible difference to the allocation of seats.
 

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