How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[salfordbluetrue]

Did they?

If you mean did they as in the working classes the low paid and the unemployed come out in support of Farage`s media campaign, then yes they did.

 

[Norbert D]

I will vote for Starmer, I was referring to the constant shit show before him.

Some in the Labour party really don't want him in the hot seat they class him as a Tory.

I can agree with that bit, Corbyn, Miliband Junior even Brown were electoral arsenic. That’s why Bozo won such a big majority, middle England were scared shitless of a Corbyn led government, Sir Keir Starmer in power doesn’t scare them, even if he is portrayed as a bit dull.

 

[Gabriel]

If you mean did they as in the working classes the low paid and the unemployed come out in support of Farage`s media campaign, then yes they did.

No, I’m questioning your assertion that Turkey was bailed out by Germany and the U.K., and that Germany would no longer be in a position to do so without the U.K.

 

[Norbert D]

If you mean did they as in the working classes the low paid and the unemployed come out in support of Farage`s media campaign, then yes they did.

Did that £350m a week reach the NHS?

 

[Norbert D]

No, I’m questioning your assertion that Turkey was bailed out by Germany and the U.K., and that Germany would no longer be in a position to do so without the U.K.

Turkey isnt in the EU, think he probably means Greece.

 

[Gabriel]

Turkey isnt in the EU, think he probably means Greece.

Greece was explicitly mentioned. Portugal perhaps.

 

[Norbert D]

Greece was explicitly mentioned. Portugal perhaps.

Greece actually put the bail out option to a vote. Democracy in action. A lot of people thought it was a bit cheeky of Germany to be dictating to Greece when Germany had had its war debts cancelled.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Immigration was the reason most people voted to leave the EU as the people with the most to lose voted for the first time in decades, it did not work as multi national companies carried on raising the population of Britain. We have been changing our agreements for centuries with Europe so nothing has changed except Germany without Britain can no longer afford to bail out Spain, Italy, Turkey or Greece.

what an odd statement - since 2016 we have had people in politics, in the press, in day to day life and even on here all denying immigration was nothing to do or only a tiny part of why they voted Leave. Are you saying now that after realising all the economic things they denied would happen and now happening they feel a winning position is not to confirm they are anti-immigration to distance themselves from the economic fuck-ups?

 

[Corky]

what an odd statement - since 2016 we have had people in politics, in the press, in day to day life and even on here all denying immigration was nothing to do or only a tiny part of why they voted Leave. Are you saying now that after realising all the economic things they denied would happen and now happening they feel a winning position is not to confirm they are anti-immigration to distance themselves from the economic fuck-ups?

Your double negative means immigration was a factor.

Speaking to people who voted leave, the "Polish wage thieves" was a common theme.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Your double negative means immigration was a factor.

Speaking to people who voted leave, the "Polish wage thieves" was a common theme.

Oh I agree - its just been fun to watch them all deny it right up until now its the only thing they think they can hold on to and retain respect

 

[woody1968]

Your double negative means immigration was a factor.

Speaking to people who voted leave, the "Polish wage thieves" was a common theme.

Always makes me laugh the old “poles stole our jobs” mob - nobody had a problem when the Polish fighter pilots massively helped us win the Battle of Britain

 

[threespires]

Greece actually put the bail out option to a vote. Democracy in action. A lot of people thought it was a bit cheeky of Germany to be dictating to Greece when Germany had had its war debts cancelled.

Yanis Varoufakis's book, Adults in the Room is a good read on that whole episode.

 

[jrb]

I recall 'Operation Fear' by Remainers before the referendum and after the referendum result stating the British economy would collapse within weeks of the UK leaving the EU, there would be 100,000's of job loses, financial instituions and companies would leave the UK en-masse and move to Europe, companies wouldn't invest in the UK anymore, the employment market, housing market, etc would all collpase, the UK would come to grinding halt.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I recall 'Operation Fear' by Remainers before the referendum and after the referendum result stating the British economy would collapse within weeks of the UK leaving the EU, there would be 100,000's of job loses, financial instituions and companies would leave the UK en-masse and move to Europe, companies wouldn't invest in the UK anymore, the employment market, housing market, etc would all collpase, the UK would come to grinding halt.

Where are the cheaper clothes and energy we were promised?

 

[blueparrot]

I recall 'Operation Fear' by Remainers before the referendum and after the referendum result stating the British economy would collapse within weeks of the UK leaving the EU, there would be 100,000's of job loses, financial instituions and companies would leave the UK en-masse and move to Europe, companies wouldn't invest in the UK anymore, the employment market, housing market, etc would all collpase, the UK would come to grinding halt.

Bits of that have happened , some businesses have gone under some are struggling to survive.Many businesses and sectors including health services are struggling to fill posts.Many have extra costs What we do know is everything is a bit more difficult and shitter than it was, and nobody can list a single benefit.

 

[jaiguruKun]

Liz Truss when asked about being a remainer before the 2016 referendum said she has wrong then and has changed her view. It's a shame the interviewer didn't have the balls to ask her based on what evidence I'm still waiting for someone to be able to identify a single tangible benefit from it besides all of the ideological claptrap.

 

[bluejon]

I recall 'Operation Fear' by Remainers before the referendum and after the referendum result stating the British economy would collapse within weeks of the UK leaving the EU, there would be 100,000's of job loses, financial instituions and companies would leave the UK en-masse and move to Europe, companies wouldn't invest in the UK anymore, the employment market, housing market, etc would all collpase, the UK would come to grinding halt.

They were chatting bollocks though. Anyone with half an ounce of sense knew that it wasn't going to fall apart on day one of leaving the EU. It would be a long painful drawn out process of deterioration, a bit like gangrene setting in.

 

[west didsblue]

They were chatting bollocks though. Anyone with half an ounce of sense knew that it wasn't going to fall apart on day one of leaving the EU. It would be a long painful drawn out process of deterioration, a bit like gangrene setting in.

Abut like what’s actually happening.

 

[dave_blue12]

I recall 'Operation Fear' by Remainers before the referendum and after the referendum result stating the British economy would collapse within weeks of the UK leaving the EU, there would be 100,000's of job loses, financial instituions and companies would leave the UK en-masse and move to Europe, companies wouldn't invest in the UK anymore, the employment market, housing market, etc would all collpase, the UK would come to grinding halt.

I don’t recall anyone saying that. I don’t suppose you have any proof?

The disaster that is Brexit continues to unwind not least in the way it has allowed the libertarians currently in control of the country to move forward with their agenda largely unfettered.

 

[bluejon]

Abut like what’s actually happening.

Exactly.