How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Saddleworth2 said:
My heart sinks when I read that. What do you put it down to?
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Christ knows! Certainly Brexit played it’s part but purely from a local perspective we had a really effective, committed local MP in Jo Platt and now we have the arse licking, completely forgettable, ‘yes man’ James Grundy. If Labour put a strong candidate forward at the next GE (which they should do) I’d be amazed if Leigh didn’t go back to being a Labour seat … but then again!!
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Maybe but even dumb animals react when they are harmed. In this country it seems like a selection of the electorate can absorb all the hurt and pain and when asked if they would like some more, say yes please. Thank you very much. Doffs cap and bows/curtsies.
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Yeah that whole war of independence thing....
 
denislawsbackheel said:
Yet the highest it has ever been…

fullfact.org

Telegraph columnist wrongly claims literacy at the lowest level in UK history – Full Fact

A Telegraph article was wrong to say literacy was at its lowest level in history, and that every international league table puts the UK near bottom for literacy and numeracy. Neither is true.
fullfact.org fullfact.org
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I am sorry I can't believe that a Tory rag would have a downer on Britain - thats something they say only Remainers do - oh wait - teachers + unions = bashing and lying opportunities
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Your Ad Absurdum argument is transparent bullshit to try to excuse your own gullibility.This is what was said by the government about the dangers of leaving. Read it and read it again. Every single warning came true and they didn't even mention the years of political instability, employment shortages and risk to the union, although plenty of sensible people did.


Man up and own your shit like others have.
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Nobody who voted Brexit is entitled to pontificate about inaccurate predictions. It’s akin to a united fan mocking us about what we paid for Jack Grealish.
 
jrb said:
Amongst all the replies. Thank you.

Please!

Just Google what certain Remainers where forecasting/prophesying.

The economic armageddon leaving the EU that was predicated by
Remainers hasn’t happened.

Without the actual economic facts, and just guessing, Covid has had a greater economic impact on the UK than leaving the EU has.

The war in Ukraine, energy price increases affecting the EU as well as the UK, and the general increases in living and fuel prices are having a greater impact across the the EU and the UK then Brexit ever has.

PS. Having just come back from Munich the supermarket shelves are fuller.
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If only these predictions had been printed on the side of a bus. Then you’d really be able to take the piss.
 
Gabriel said:
Indeed. I have a gnawing fear that the next two years will be sufficiently painful to see Labour returned with a small albeit workable majority, but then hubris kicks in and they fail to overhaul the system.
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Brexit was the swing in the last GE, Starmer should bloody walk this if he can keep the Wolfie Smiths in check.
 
Gabriel said:
Indeed. I have a gnawing fear that the next two years will be sufficiently painful to see Labour returned with a small albeit workable majority, but then hubris kicks in and they fail to overhaul the system.
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I’m not sure it would be so much hubris as a cocktail of lust for power along with egregious short-term thinking. There will never be a better time to prevent the excesses of the last three years (in particular) occurring again. If they don’t seize the opportunity then they will be as culpable as the Tories for our national decline.

If it doesn’t happen after the 2024 election then we are truly fucked as a nation. We probably are anyway tbf, but we’ve got to try.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’m not sure it would be so much hubris as a cocktail of lust for power along with egregious short-term thinking. There will never be a better time to prevent the excesses of the last three years (in particular) occurring again. If they don’t seize the opportunity then they will be as culpable as the Tories for our national decline.

If it doesn’t happen after the 2024 election then we are truly fucked as a nation. We probably are anyway tbf, but we’ve got to try.
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Hubris in the sense that winning an outright majority may fill them with self-confidence and lead them to think, mistakenly, that the system therefore doesn’t need changing.

Concur with the rest.
 
Gabriel said:
Should, but still a long time to go yet; not sure even the entire TPF could undermine Starmer from here on in.
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Imagine a country not dominated by these Tory PM puppets? Not far to go really and to be honest I am quite looking forward to a change.
 
mexico1970 said:
Imagine a country not dominated by these Tory PM puppets? Not far to go really and to be honest I am quite looking forward to a change.
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I’m on record here as saying that there simply has to be electoral reform to prevent such one-party domination, especially when that party lurches further in one direction. At the same time, I also recognise that, despite what recent polls predict, overturning the incumbent’s majority should not be taken as a given, no matter how intent the Conservatives appear on helping their opponents.
 
Gabriel said:
I’m on record here as saying that there simply has to be electoral reform to prevent such one-party domination, especially when that party lurches further in one direction. At the same time, I also recognise that, despite what recent polls predict, overturning the incumbent’s majority should not be taken as a given, no matter how intent the Conservatives appear on helping their opponents.
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Within that there should be a requirement that within the majority party any change of leader must result in a GE - If you think the last 3 PM's have been installed by party and a few members only its a farce - only Johnson won a mandate and that he won with lies
 
bluethrunthru said:
Within that there should be a requirement that within the majority party any change of leader must result in a GE - If you think the last 3 PM's have been installed by party and a few members only its a farce - only Johnson won a mandate and that he won with lies
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That‘s an understandable condition based on the experiences you mention, but it would also give the majority party in any coalition a power that it could abuse. For me, after electoral reform, the country would be better returning to the fixed term Parliament so that parties would be encouraged to cooperate. The country needs fewer elections and less uncertainty. Of course, coalitions will sometimes collapse, but then a professional civil service should be capable of keeping the machine running; thank goodness the Government has long respected and properly funded the civil service in the UK…

Lies or promises he was prevented from fulfilling? ;-)

I imagine that could form the basis of a history A level question in 2072.
 
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