How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

NatalieM008 said:
I was born in Portugal and I'm living in Spain now. I've also been a couple of years studying in France.
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Not sure if you are referring to Spain/France or Portugal or all 3.

Having setup a financing business and worked and lived in Portugal for 20 years now, I can tell you with some personal insight that the fiscal support and monetary stability that the ECB and the Euro has provided Portugal has been instrumental to its increase in standards of living and economic growth.

I meet and travel abroad with many of the directors of the major banks in Portugal as well as some people from the Bank of Portugal and to a person they all acknowledge the improvements to the country as a whole that EU membership has brought them. Portugal’s problem is a legacy from its recent communist/socialist past which means it has a bloated public sector and a dis functional judicial system.

I also personally don’t know any Portuguese people from all walks of life that would advocate going back to the way things were before they joined the EU.
 
AlgarveBlu said:
Not sure if you are referring to Spain/France or Portugal or all 3.

Having setup a financing business and worked and lived in Portugal for 20 years now, I can tell you with some personal insight that the fiscal support and monetary stability that the ECB and the Euro has provided Portugal has been instrumental to its increase in standards of living and economic growth.

I meet and travel abroad with many of the directors of the major banks in Portugal as well as some people from the Bank of Portugal and to a person they all acknowledge the improvements to the country as a whole that EU membership has brought them. Portugal’s problem is a legacy from its recent communist/socialist past which means it has a bloated public sector and a dis functional judicial system.

I also personally don’t know any Portuguese people from all walks of life that would advocate going back to the way things were before they joined the EU.
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I can say ditto for Greece and Cyprus. Anyone who has traveled within the EU since Maastricht has witnessed incredible change.

All EU countries are struggling with the aftermath of the pandemic and the effects of the war, but things are nowhere near as bleak as they were at the time of the financial crisis, and there are no serious moves anywhere for countries to follow the UK’s lead. The EU is a long-term project and it will take years for more wealth to be shared around, but it is happening and will continue to happen.
 
AlgarveBlu said:
Not sure if you are referring to Spain/France or Portugal or all 3.

Having setup a financing business and worked and lived in Portugal for 20 years now, I can tell you with some personal insight that the fiscal support and monetary stability that the ECB and the Euro has provided Portugal has been instrumental to its increase in standards of living and economic growth.

I meet and travel abroad with many of the directors of the major banks in Portugal as well as some people from the Bank of Portugal and to a person they all acknowledge the improvements to the country as a whole that EU membership has brought them. Portugal’s problem is a legacy from its recent communist/socialist past which means it has a bloated public sector and a dis functional judicial system.

I also personally don’t know any Portuguese people from all walks of life that would advocate going back to the way things were before they joined the EU.
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Yes, Portugal is better now than before the EU, that's unarguable, but it still being worse than the UK.
 
blueparrot said:
As was the UK, and now we have left , the UK is declining again.
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May be declining, but the UK will not fall. You'll recover and you'll get stronger. You have an enviable industry and great exportation business. I live in a country where the principal industry is the tourism, so you can imagine how bad is that for our economy...
 
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