How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[bluethrunthru]

XD

How I'd like it...

Remember though it all ended badly for Ned Kelly and Bonnie and Clyde....

 

[NatalieM008]

Remember though it all ended badly for Ned Kelly and Bonnie and Clyde....

Yes, but I could take revenge on my stupid boss...

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I work in a bank, it's the only job I've had. I've been in different banks, but always doing the same work.

Bit of a disparity depending on actual role, but if you were a bank teller you wouldn't be better off in London. A friend of mine used to earn that sort of salary and spent half of it on renting room from a live in landlord.

 

[Innsbruckblue]

I live in Spain now but I was born in Portugal

The Iberian peninsula has been struggling for a long time now with high rates of youth unemployment, but that doesn’t mean you can generalise across a whole continent. Portugal and Spain both experienced dictatorships fewer than 50 years ago and utilised tourism to boost their fragile, agricultural economies. That takes time to catch up with already highly industrialised and, if I may say so, richer countries. I left the UK over 20 years ago and I see absolutely no evidence of the EU having lower growth rates than the UK or being poorer. The only places in the EU that are poor are the ones that have been neglected for various reasons by select governments. I’ve lived in Spain and there are plenty of extremely rich areas (Madrid) and plenty not so (Extremadura).
Try looking at the rest of the EU before holding Spain and Portugal up as shining examples of why the trade bloc isn’t working. It works.

 

[NatalieM008]

The Iberian peninsula has been struggling for a long time now with high rates of youth unemployment, but that doesn’t mean you can generalise across a whole continent. Portugal and Spain both experienced dictatorships fewer than 50 years ago and utilised tourism to boost their fragile, agricultural economies. That takes time to catch up with already highly industrialised and, if I may say so, richer countries. I left the UK over 20 years ago and I see absolutely no evidence of the EU having lower growth rates than the UK or being poorer. The only places in the EU that are poor are the ones that have been neglected for various reasons by select governments. I’ve lived in Spain and there are plenty of extremely rich areas (Madrid) and plenty not so (Extremadura).
Try looking at the rest of the EU before holding Spain and Portugal up as shining examples of why the trade bloc isn’t working. It works.

Thanks for the history class.

What makes you think that I'm focusing just in Portugal and Spain? Obviously I'm not an expert, but I like politics and I try to be updated on what's happening in Europe. The whole Europe. I'm so sorry I'm not the kind of person that travels constantly around the world, but I think I have further knowledge than just what's happening in my country.

 

[Vic]

Thanks for the history class.

What makes you think that I'm focusing just in Portugal and Spain? Obviously I'm not an expert, but I like politics and I try to be updated on what's happening in Europe. The whole Europe. I'm so sorry I'm not the kind of person that travels constantly around the world, but I think I have further knowledge than just what's happening in my country.

Gosh, it's another Metalbiker, able to get enough of world culture living in Gorton.

 

[Gabriel]

Thanks for the history class.

What makes you think that I'm focusing just in Portugal and Spain? Obviously I'm not an expert, but I like politics and I try to be updated on what's happening in Europe. The whole Europe. I'm so sorry I'm not the kind of person that travels constantly around the world, but I think I have further knowledge than just what's happening in my country.

You said in your original second point that ‘the EU started to break down’ the very moment that the U.K. left. Do you have any evidence whatsoever for that statement? If anything, Brexit has shown the economic folly of leaving the EU, and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has only brought countries closer together. The populations of the respective Member States may have grievances with their own governments, but they’re not calling for their countries to leave the EU.

 

[NatalieM008]

You said in your original second point that ‘the EU started to break down’ the very moment that the U.K. left. Do you have any evidence whatsoever for that statement? If anything, Brexit has shown the economic folly of leaving the EU, and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has only brought countries closer together. The populations of the respective Member States may have grievances with their own governments, but they’re not calling for their countries to leave the EU.

I have the evidence that the EU was fairly stable until the UK left it, point where my country (and a lot more) announced that they were going to send more money to the EU. Curiously, in that moment, the Euro (I mean the currency) started to devalue. The prices also started to rise, and the rest is history.

About Russia's invasion, I just can say that only got worse all the situation, for all countries.

People that live in the UK just can see the bad impact that Brexit has had in their country, but the rest of Europeans also felt it; our economy got worse. Much worse. If you think that the EU countries didn't have any impact because the Brexit, you are absolutely wrong.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

People that live in the UK just can see the bad impact that Brexit has had in their country, but the rest of Europeans also felt it; our economy got worse. Much worse. If you think that the EU countries didn't have any impact because the Brexit, you are absolutely wrong.

Another reason why it was a completely shite idea. Membership of the EU mutually benefits all members.

 

[Gabriel]

I have the evidence that the EU was fairly stable until the UK left it, point where my country (and a lot more) announced that they were going to send more money to the EU. Curiously, in that moment, the Euro (I mean the currency) started to devalue. The prices also started to rise, and the rest is history.

About Russia's invasion, I just can say that only got worse all the situation, for all countries.

People that live in the UK just can see the bad impact that Brexit has had in their country, but the rest of Europeans also felt it; our economy got worse. Much worse. If you think that the EU countries didn't have any impact because the Brexit, you are absolutely wrong.

It’s not falling apart though, is it?

Brexit was always going to have repercussions for everyone, especially as the U.K. was one of the Union’s larger economies. That is not the point, however. The point is whether it will be more damaging for the U.K. or for the EU, and on the evidence so far, it is and will be worse for the former. Much. If you care to read the international press, American. Chinese, Indian, Australian, they all acknowledge this point, which is one reason why investors are currently reluctant to invest in the U.K.