How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Of all the follies associated with leaving, the notion that uncoupling from the rules that bound us to the EU was going to be anything other than complex, painful and damaging has to be the most egregious.

The same people who decried ‘this isn’t what we joined in 1973’ spectacularly failed to appreciate how true that was - and how hard it was going to be to extricate ourselves. The utterly reckless and foolish mistake they made was thinking it would be like, as I’ve said previously, leaving a golf club and cancelling your direct debit.

Thinking that a nation extricating itself from a multilateral agreement that had evolved over nearly half a century was going to be straightforward was so deluded that it has to touch upon the realms of the insane.

Absolute fucking madness.

Thing with it is to appeal to those who didn't really want to think they have boiled everything down to stupid unrealistic analogies - such as leaving the golf club and Labour failing to fix the roof when the sun was shining and maxing out the credit card. You cannot use glib phrases like those to describe running a whole country and its economy because its far more complex than that.
 
Of all the follies associated with leaving, the notion that uncoupling from the rules that bound us to the EU was going to be anything other than complex, painful and damaging has to be the most egregious.

The same people who decried ‘this isn’t what we joined in 1973’ spectacularly failed to appreciate how true that was - and how hard it was going to be to extricate ourselves. The utterly reckless and foolish mistake they made was thinking it would be like, as I’ve said previously, leaving a golf club and cancelling your direct debit.

Thinking that a nation extricating itself from a multilateral agreement that had evolved over nearly half a century was going to be straightforward was so deluded that it has to touch upon the realms of the insane.

Absolute fucking madness.
Spot on. Sometimes I think a significant chunk of those leavers were just bothered about winning the result like they had won a big football match. There was little thought of the aftermath just exuberant celebrations.
 
Spot on. Sometimes I think a significant chunk of those leavers were just bothered about winning the result like they had won a big football match. There was little thought of the aftermath just exuberant celebrations.
I think, for some, the notion of our sovereignty and autonomy over our own affairs, however misplaced, unrealistic and misguided, overwhelmed all other considerations - including reason and logic.
 
Thing with it is to appeal to those who didn't really want to think they have boiled everything down to stupid unrealistic analogies - such as leaving the golf club and Labour failing to fix the roof when the sun was shining and maxing out the credit card. You cannot use glib phrases like those to describe running a whole country and its economy because its far more complex than that.
Absolutely right.
The everyday rather prosaic comparisons to golf clubs etc. may be more comprehensible on a simple enough level but cannot begin to convey the complexity, stupidity and damage caused by brexit.
Bizarrely, realistically the only comparator will be brexit itself as the only tangible explanation of its own madness.
Nothing else comes close.
 
Of all the follies associated with leaving, the notion that uncoupling from the rules that bound us to the EU was going to be anything other than complex, painful and damaging has to be the most egregious.

The same people who decried ‘this isn’t what we joined in 1973’ spectacularly failed to appreciate how true that was - and how hard it was going to be to extricate ourselves. The utterly reckless and foolish mistake they made was thinking it would be like, as I’ve said previously, leaving a golf club and cancelling your direct debit.

Thinking that a nation extricating itself from a multilateral agreement that had evolved over nearly half a century was going to be straightforward was so deluded that it has to touch upon the realms of the insane.

Absolute fucking madness.
Couldn’t agree more. It was like divorcing 27 wives all at the same time - some you had kids with - some you had property with - some you had businesses with - some you had debts with etc etc and thinking it would all be very straight forward. Really.
 
Couldn’t agree more. It was like divorcing 27 wives all at the same time - some you had kids with - some you had property with - some you had businesses with - some you had debts with etc etc and thinking it would all be very straight forward. Really.

You are describing Johnsons private life there lol
 
I think, for some, the notion of our sovereignty and autonomy over our own affairs, however misplaced, unrealistic and misguided, overwhelmed all other considerations - including reason and logic.
Regaining control of our money, laws and borders was a simple statement and attracted many voters who couldn't (or wouldn't) understand just how complex it was going to be. - I also don't think the remain leaders ever explained the difficulties we faced as they seemed scared by leavers using the phrase "Project Fear".
"Project Fear" has become project reality and the country is fucked as a result.
 
Regaining control of our money, laws and borders was a simple statement and attracted many voters who couldn't (or wouldn't) understand just how complex it was going to be. - I also don't think the remain leaders ever explained the difficulties we faced as they seemed scared by leavers using the phrase "Project Fear".
"Project Fear" has become project reality and the country is fucked as a result.

In the 7 years since the referendum its become clear that quite a few of those voices for Leave didn't know what it was all about themselves - so many since repeat the same lies already proven as wrong - vaccines and Brexit is the current doozy - but they keep trotting the shite out
 
Regaining control of our money, laws and borders was a simple statement and attracted many voters who couldn't (or wouldn't) understand just how complex it was going to be. - I also don't think the remain leaders ever explained the difficulties we faced as they seemed scared by leavers using the phrase "Project Fear".
"Project Fear" has become project reality and the country is fucked as a result.
I think the problem with the whole Project Fear narrative, is that apart from the pound tumbling the day after the vote (which many assumed erroneously was temporary) there was no catastrophic collapse of the economy, contrary to what Osborne had alluded to.

The economy fared pretty well from 2016 to 2019 and so Leavers stridently appropriated the term to mock the Remain Cassandras.

These things inevitably take many years to filter through.

The tragedy is that in many ways, the predictions woven into Project Fear are likely to be viewed by history as being too modest and diffident. One certainly doesn’t hear it deployed pejoratively by Leavers any more.

Like you say, Project Reality.
 
But…but…brexit…..


30,000 people watching GB News on an average day and falling, just like the viewing figures for Talk TV, with their 5,000 viewers a day and falling, puts the foghorn of ignorance and his cohorts into the irrelevance bin. I like to think so.

It's such a shame he didn't understand the Dublin agreement which we were signatories to while members of the EU, but he did personally profit to the tune of millions while heading the limited company called UKIP, masquerading as a political party and charging their customers £100 or whatever it was to be considered as prospective MP's for his company, none of whom were chosen to have their names put on any ballot paper. That income stream continued for a long while after their candidates had been chosen.

He's a fraud and one of the most destructive people in our history.
 

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