How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[somapop]

Looking from afar, the conversation over here with my mates often hits on phrases like this;
Who the fuck votes for Rees-Mogg?
Are the British public nuts, voting that gobshite from the 19th century in.

You'd be so surprised.
I know one of the most ardent anti-tory, Thatcher hating guys who inexplicably put his trust in the hands of this Victorian teapot.

Seems he had a semi on for a return to a mythical, Great British utopia that never existed in the first place and this man was the one to lead it....

Empowered (like many) the 'saying the quiet bits out loud' showed many a true colour sadly.

 

[bluethrunthru]

People who work abroad and the adventurous will not forgive them

 

[Rascal]

One semi humurous Brexit benefit is that the ERG and the assorted ranks of right wing fruitcakes and cranks have left themselves with a shortage of exploitative labour and that has led to an increase in Union activity as Labour is now far more scarce than it was and now demands a premium pay packet. It must drive them nuts that the Labour they could exploit is now being entry into the country because of stop the boats policies. It is semi humourous that the far right and the ERG,fruitcakes, dingbats and racists are now at impasse. There only answer is to become more authoritarian whilst the neo-liberal wankathon sails down the river like a boat with a captain but no crew with rocks looming on the horizon.

It is quite ironic that the Pro Brexit Mick Lynch who was widely criticised for his Unions stance on Brexit by the liberal commentariat is now the one leading the fight back for the working class. Is it possible he was right all along.

 

[Vic]

All people voted for was to leave the EU. And by pretty much the narrowest of margins in a vote that ought to have required a supermajority. In legal terms, an advisory referendum, not binding Parliament. A binding referendum would have had to meet much stricter rules, which is no doubt why we were not given one.

However, the vote gave a huge blank cheque to a host of corrupt and half-bonkers fanatics posing as politicians and here we are.

The plain truth is that no sane, responsible, competent politician in any party wanted to leave the EU. Only the likes of Johnson and Farage. So it was inevitable that implementation would be in the hands of incompetents. This was eminently foreseeable. You had only to look at who was on each side.

Even if I had known nothing about the EU I could never have gone into the same lobby as Rees-Mogg and Farage, as their aspirations are completely contrary to the prosperity and security of the bulk of the population.

We could have 'respected' the vote and gone for something like a Norway arrangement, but that was never on the cards because of the ERG fanatics, who had the bit between their teeth. If we had done, the whole issue would probably have been forgotten by now.

Johnson didn't want to leave the EU. He just led the campaign to leave the EU.

 

[Postman Pep]

We could have 'respected' the vote and gone for something like a Norway arrangement, but that was never on the cards because of the ERG fanatics, who had the bit between their teeth. If we had done, the whole issue would probably have been forgotten by now.

Counterpoint. The failure to get a 'soft brexit' was not down to the ERG and the ERG alone. There were fanatics on both sides of the divide.

The Obsessive Remainers Have Scored a Massive Own Goal

For the last three years, second-referendum campaigners heaped blame on Jeremy Corbyn for his alleged role in “facilitating” Brexit. Yet their determined efforts to torpedo his leadership destroyed any chance of a compromise solution — and made the hardest of hard Brexits inevitable.

jacobin.com

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

We left for stupid reasons and under the wrong Government who have evil intentions but the EU is a failing institution anyway and some of the stuff they are imposing on Dutch farmers just for one thing is terrifying. We were fucked either way in my opinion. I voted to remain.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Have you never voted for a politician or party who promised one thing and then delivered another or nothing at all?

I get your sentiment but it’s a bit simplistic to suggest every brexit voter voted for what we have now, we didn’t, I certainly didn’t.

Virtually every politician I‘ve voted for has promised and failed, but promising to do something about pot-holes in the road or street lighting is rather different from a politician who promises you a veritable utopia of riches and sovereignty and national greatness- then every alarm bell stars ringing.
Perhaps a better term would be ‘they thought they knew what they were voting for’
They thought they voted for the brexit writ large on the side of the bus. A brexit of unkeepable promises, of unsustainable plans and wishes, and of downright lies.
A brexit that never existed. But it was the brexit they were offered and wanted and thought they could have. No-one voted for the brexit we have now, but it’s the only version that was ever on offer.
The fact that we hear ‘this is not the brexit I voted for’ repeatedly, would confirm this.
Takes me back to your first point. If the promise made seems too good to be true- then it almost certainly is.

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

As it can’t because if you can’t attract the Labour then you cannot sell your wares.

 

[NPBlue]

One semi humurous Brexit benefit is that the ERG and the assorted ranks of right wing fruitcakes and cranks have left themselves with a shortage of exploitative labour and that has led to an increase in Union activity as Labour is now far more scarce than it was and now demands a premium pay packet. It must drive them nuts that the Labour they could exploit is now being entry into the country because of stop the boats policies. It is semi humourous that the far right and the ERG,fruitcakes, dingbats and racists are now at impasse. There only answer is to become more authoritarian whilst the neo-liberal wankathon sails down the river like a boat with a captain but no crew with rocks looming on the horizon.

It is quite ironic that the Pro Brexit Mick Lynch who was widely criticised for his Unions stance on Brexit by the liberal commentariat is now the one leading the fight back for the working class. Is it possible he was right all along.

I don't know about Mick Lynch. He promoted leave, which to my mind was at odds with what membership of the EU gave us with regards to safeguarding employment, consumer and environmental protections.

I'd been saying it for years, that our membership of the EU protected us from the worst excesses of the extreme right, which the tories always detested of course.

I don't know why he supported leave, but for me he called it wrong. Why a Union leader would promote a campaign financed by billionaires wanting to keep their off shore bank account details secret and didn't hide their disdain about our supposedly undeserved rights as employees is beyond my comprehension.

Brexit is a disaster, it is fuelling inflation, a declining economy, and if he is leading a fightback for the working class, then I have to say he should have had a deeper think about what the referendum was about.

Didn't the head of Unite support brexit as well?

I don't know or understand why?