How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[west didsblue]

Are you seriously suggesting that Labour shortages in Europe and elsewhere are anything to do with Brexit?

I'm out. It's like trying to explain to a rag or a dipper that City have not broken FFP to any significant extent.

The fact you don’t realise he’s taking the piss suggests that you really do lack any awareness about the shit show that Brexit has caused.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

You seem to have missed the point that our head of state got the job when his mum died last year. Unfortunately we are a monarchy not a Republic and that'll probably never change. We'll have a chance to judge the current government some time before December 2024 at the next General election.

My world view is more optimistic and progressive and open than anything you are offering. The way forward is more trade, more openness, more freedom. The exact opposite of the EU's closed protectionist stance.

You're cynicism lack of idealism and failure to understand what's required for a peaceful and prosperous future is depressing in the extreme (I'm assuming you're younger than me from your 'generation' comment and your total lack of perspective).

No your world view is delusional. You fail to grasp that things that are constant now will no longer exist in the future. The certainty of future events as if you possess a crystal ball, typical of many a Brexshitter.

I've assumed your generation by the year in your username. You're a typical boomer Brexiteer.

Your world view belongs in a time where the UK was a global power. You can't change the trajectory of the world just by wishing it so, unless you have the power influence to make your world view a reality, it will always be a dream.

We are no longer a global power, we aren't even a great country anymore.

It's time to grow up and move on.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Are you seriously suggesting that Labour shortages in Europe and elsewhere are anything to do with Brexit?

I'm out. It's like trying to explain to a rag or a dipper that City have not broken FFP to any significant extent.

Keep going, not sure about calling Blues Rags or Dippers helps, just because you are getting a little lost in your analysis.

Easily brought around, like I’ve just received a huge stash of tomato’s and the biggest cucumber I’ve ever seen, on the cheap from a friends glasshouse. Wouldn’t have had that without being out of the EU.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Every time this happens to me I look around and wonder how many people in that queue are feeling slightly stupid.

Because they didn’t get the Brexit they voted for?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Are you seriously suggesting that Labour shortages in Europe and elsewhere are anything to do with Brexit?

I'm out. It's like trying to explain to a rag or a dipper that City have not broken FFP to any significant extent.

Yes. Look what's happened to the global economy since Brexit.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The fact that you have to queue a little longer at passport control is a small thing.

The fact that as a UK citizen, the laws that affect you are now made by people who are accountable to you ar a General Election is a big thing (it's called democracy and the same logic explains why it was important that women are now allowed to vote).

Accountable? The cunts got 40% of the vote and have done what the fuck they want for the last four years. How is that democratic and how does that make them accountable?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Our perfect democracy, where a minority of voters can elect a clear majority in Parliament.

They are only nominally accountable to us. In most constituencies, your vote ain't worth a cat's fart.

This post exposes the myth of our comical electoral system. This whole ‘if you don’t like them, vote them out’, for most people, is a fucking joke.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Are you saying that Covid and the Ukraine have had less impact on the UK economy than Brexit.

You're clearly not living in the real world pal.

The impact of Brexit on the UK economy is on the same “magnitude” as the Covid pandemic and energy price crisis, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) has said.

Brexit damage to economy as big as Covid, says OBR

UK seeing ‘biggest squeeze on living standards’ on record, says head of fiscal watchdog

www.independent.co.uk

You're welcome.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Because they didn’t get the Brexit they voted for?

They did get the brexit they voted for.
They just didn’t know that this was the only brexit they could vote for.

 

[jim tolmies perm]

Gonna blow your mind now.......... there were European Elections - we regularly voted for and elected MEP's to the European Parliament - fuck it was a place even Farage could get elected to. They run a whole continent with 751 MEP's btw - somehow we need 650 to run our tiny island.

So - we elected MEP's - they then get a vote on the nominee's of the President of the European Commission who are proposed by the European Council - so we via our elected representatives confirm the President. Then EVERY member state selects their nomination for an EU commissioner and the Parliament votes and only a Commissioner that gets a majority vote from the Parliament ( who's members we elect ) gets appointed.

You will note how often the words elect and vote come into the process. They were never unelected - you just fell for the bullshit lies.

Can you tell me the 3 laws from the EU enacted in the UK do you find where the most egregious?

The typical stuff regurgitated ad infinitum for decades by the Excrement and the Fail.
How about the shape of bananas, the fillings in Cornish pasties and the generic name of a type of fucking sausage ..
Yes just as mildly inconvenient as longer waits at border control

 

[jim tolmies perm]

No your world view is delusional. You fail to grasp that things that are constant now will no longer exist in the future. The certainty of future events as if you possess a crystal ball, typical of many a Brexshitter.

I've assumed your generation by the year in your username. You're a typical boomer Brexiteer.

Your world view belongs in a time where the UK was a global power. You can't change the trajectory of the world just by wishing it so, unless you have the power influence to make your world view a reality, it will always be a dream.

We are no longer a global power, we aren't even a great country anymore.

It's time to grow up and move on.

Agreed apart from "62 boomers" like myself who believe Brexit was the biggest fucking "Con" trick exacted on a totally unwitting electorate

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Agreed apart from "62 boomers" like myself who believe Brexit was the biggest fucking "Con" trick exacted on a totally unwitting electorate

It was specific to Brexiteer boomers not all boomers. Both my parents are late boomers, neither voted for Brexit but then they aren't racist, idiotic or delusional.

Generally all Brexiteers are full of shit, but it's usually the older gammons that are the worst for "you lost, and we are never going back".

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

The impact of Brexit on the UK economy is on the same “magnitude” as the Covid pandemic and energy price crisis, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) has said.

Brexit damage to economy as big as Covid, says OBR

UK seeing ‘biggest squeeze on living standards’ on record, says head of fiscal watchdog

www.independent.co.uk

You're welcome.

It has to be obvious to most that when you cease sensible trade with your closet bloc then you aren’t going to be as productive.

Looking across the pond when they’re not looking back, as they’re looking at the far bigger economy of the EU, leaves you, operationally, on the back foot.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

You never read shit, you just reply to whatever wanders aimlessly in one ear and ambles out the other.

Sorry did you not post a clip from the 70s with Peter Shore talking about the potential for lower food prices from the rest of the world outside the then ECC?

It's of little relevance in 2023 where we have food price inflation exceeding the EU now isn't it?

And what for the relevance of capital controls?

It was never on the cards, and by 2016 it would have crashed against the wall of reality as soon it was raised.

I've given the time and consideration it deserves.

It's academic.

 

[Vic]

The fact that you have to queue a little longer at passport control is a small thing.

The fact that as a UK citizen, the laws that affect you are now made by people who are accountable to you ar a General Election is a big thing (it's called democracy and the same logic explains why it was important that women are now allowed to vote).

Total bollocks when most people in 2019 voted for parties that would have stopped Brexit.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The House of Commons publicly tore itself to shreds in the weeks leading up to the 2019 election. The British electorate delivered its judgement in the election. Democracy in action.

Are you serious? 60% didn’t vote for the cunts. On what fucking planet is that democracy in action?

 

[bluethrunthru]

we only resolve Brexit when firstly the real hardships imposed by Brexit impact upon our ability to function as a society - as it will - then we have a media that will truthfully report on it which may well mean we have to wait for Murdoch to pass on and for a new Govt to purge the BBC of a rampant pro Tory management that are just scared of reporting on Brexit and think that there can be a grown up discussion

 

[Phil1]

EU law is made by the Commision. The Parliament and the Council of Ministers can modify or even reject the laws that emanate from the Commission but they rarely do.

The European Parliament is a Parliament in name only. Its members are not legislators.

The Commission meets in secret and all it's machinations are confidential. Commissioners are appointed not elected, they are therefore unaccountable.

The House of Commons publicly tore itself to shreds in the weeks leading up to the 2019 election. The British electorate delivered its judgement in the election. Democracy in action.

Two examples of UK commissioners. Neil Kinnock lost the 1992 election after 13 years of Conservative government; the British electorate decided they didn't want him anywhere near the levers of power. He was then appointed to the EU Commission where he made laws affecting UK citizens. When he was finished in Brussels he was appointed to the House of Lords which must surely be every Democrats next target. Peter Mandelson was forced to resign from Blair's government; basically here's a guy who isn't fit to hold high office. Same career path as Kinnock, EU Commission and then the House of Lords.

Both Kinnock and Mandelson fail Tony Benn's test - when you meet someone in a position of power ask them two questions - How did you get there? and How xan we get rid of you? MPs are elected and general elections and sometimes public opinion can remove them.

If as a UK citizen you fell foul of EU law there would have been no point going to your MEP to complain because he or she didn't make the law. How about going to the relevant Commissioner? That's no good because commissioners are appointed not elected they don't need your vote so they are accountable to no one.

Compare that to UK law. If a law is unfair, and they often are as it's difficult to frame good legislation, you go to your MP's constituency surgery and raise the issue. If you have a case the issue can be raised in Parliament and the law can be changed. MPs do this not because they are better people than MEPs but because they are accountable to the people they serve. Again it's called democracy.

On your narrow point asking for examples of EU laws I object to, I'd say it's irrelevant. Even if I agreed with everything the EU Commission did the substantial point is that the people who make the laws that affect us have to be directly accountable to us. (If you must have an example, I'd cite the Common Agricultural.Policy which inflates food prices for millions of the poorest people in the European Union and stops poor farmers in Africa and elsewhere selling into the EU. At no point were alternatives debated or tested in an election.).

Get waving that flag loud and proud.

 

[Grassland Blue]

More reliant? When did I say that. My point is that the EU is the slowest growing economic block on the planet. In continental terms only Antarctica is performing more poorly. Asia, Africa and the Americas are a much better bet than the aging sclerotic EU.

Why does growth in the economy matter?
Remove this factor and you take away many of the pressures on ordinary people.
Workers working ever harder to make already wealthy people even wealthier whilst having less for themselves.

 

[jim tolmies perm]

Why does growth in the economy matter?
Remove this factor and you take away many of the pressures on ordinary people.
Workers working ever harder to make already wealthy people even wealthier whilst having less for themselves.

And are Africa, Asia and the Americas investing that growth in better provision of social and health care or more in propping up and aligning themselves with military juntas and other such despotic and authoritarian regimes.
It's the UKs decoupling from the E.U that has it firmly entrenched as the sick man of Europe. We won't join a single market worth trillions on our doorstep but we'll sign up to Asian blocks and Australia with a net GDP contribution of less than 0.5%
Fucking abominably insane