How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I find the arrogance of rejoiners that the UK will be welcomed with open arms when they deign to rejoin is not much different from the coceitedness of the Brexiteers "they need us more than we need them".

Does anyone actually think that?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

The fact that you, as a vocal proponent of a no deal Brexit a few years ago, are now saying that you made a mistake suggests that the vast majority of the population wish we’d never left. Sadly it’s too late and our economy has been hobbled for a generation thanks to you and people like you who voted for this shit without a clue what was going to happen. Hope you’re happy.

I told you the reasons I voted out, I stand by those reasons. I still think we would be better off out if we had a government with any nouse about them. As it is we don't.

The economy is hardly ruined. Sure it could be better but your not living in the real world with statements like that. As for your silly hope you're happy remark, you need to grow up a little fella.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I still think we would be better off out if we had a government with any nouse about them.

If we did have that government with nous, what would they be doing to make us better off?

 

[BobKowalski]

I told you the reasons I voted out, I stand by those reasons. I still think we would be better off out if we had a government with any nouse about them. As it is we don't.

The economy is hardly ruined. Sure it could be better but you’re not living in the real world with statements like that. As for your silly hope you're happy remark, you need to grow up a little fella.

The poster said hobbled not ruined which is accurate. Brexit handicaps our economy by placing trade barriers to the movement of goods and services (people).

We were told that Brexit would be an automatic benefit and that we would have better access to European markets, cheaper food, clothes and a better NHS.

Brexit was never going to achieve these goals. It was literally impossible and to think that somehow it would if the Govt had some undefined ‘nous’ is delusional. Brexit is a policy specifically designed to make its citizens worse off and it delivered. Brexit is giving us exactly what you voted for.

 

[west didsblue]

I told you the reasons I voted out, I stand by those reasons. I still think we would be better off out if we had a government with any nouse about them. As it is we don't.

The economy is hardly ruined. Sure it could be better but you’re not living in the real world with statements like that. As for your silly hope you're happy remark, you need to grow up a little fella.

I think you need to reflect on your decision 7 years ago and have a little humility. The reason for the shit show is you and the other 17 million who voted for it without knowing what you voted for. It’s not all your fault though, you were hoodwinked by the likes of Johnson and Farage. It’s time you grew a pair and admitted it rather than making out you were right to vote for it and it’s all the government’s fault - a government that you undoubtedly voted for in 2019. And no, the economy isn’t ruined but I never said it was so no need to make up stuff.

 

[threespires]

Does anyone actually think that?

It's probably reasonable to assume that the sort of exceptionalist thinking that led to the vote in the first place might misunderstand how challenging it will be for the UK to return.

That said most people I hear discussing the idea of rejoining recognise and still lament the fact that we are never ever getting back the cake and eat relationship that we flushed down the toilet.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I think you need to reflect on your decision 7 years ago and have a little humility. The reason for the shit show is you and the other 17 million who voted for it without knowing what you voted for. It’s not all your fault though, you were hoodwinked by the likes of Johnson and Farage. It’s time you grew a pair and admitted it rather than making out you were right to vote for it and it’s all the government’s fault - a government that you undoubtedly voted for in 2019. And no, the economy isn’t ruined but I never said it was so no need to make up stuff.

I certainly don't need to take any advice off you or any of the other self righteous cabal on here.

 

[west didsblue]

I certainly don't need to take any advice off you or any of the other self righteous cabal on here.

Sadly you seem like you won’t take advice from anyone because you think you know best.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Sadly you seem like you won’t take advice from anyone because you think you know best.

To be fair, it’s only natural for people not to admit they were wrong and easily reason away with cherry picked distractions.

A couple of people I know are the same and when you put the facts up against them they just shut down, until the next time that they find a reason. Rinse and repeat.

 

[lust overlord]

To be fair, it’s only natural for people not to admit they were wrong and easily reason away with cherry picked distractions.

A couple of people I know are the same and when you put the facts up against them they just shut down, until the next time that they find a reason. Rinse and repeat.

As cathartic as it may be to point out the things people got wrong,it's hardly going to result in a harmonic way forward.

I'd hazard that some of the pro leavers on here would have made a better fist of Brexit than the morons their vote put in charge of it.
Unintended consequences.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

As cathartic as it may be to point out the things people got wrong,it's hardly going to result in a harmonic way forward.

I'd hazard that some of the pro leavers on here would have made a better fist of Brexit than the morons their vote put in charge of it.
Unintended consequences.

What is weird is that it’s not I who starts these conversations, it only comes up when they want to talk about. No issue with it at all and I’m sympathetic to their voices, but when I subtly refute their assertion then the debate is once again mute. It may be that they just need something to hold on to, to give them a sense of righteousness before they move on. Maybe I should give them a pat on the back next time.

And, you’re right, unintended consequence indeed.

 

[blueish swede]

Does anyone actually think that?

There doesn't seem to be much thought given to the possibility of the EU, or some members thereof, saying no to the UK re-entering.
Is it even clear that the UK can re-join? It has been readily assumed so by many in the UK, but I haven't seen a thorough analysis of the question.

 

[The perfect fumble]

There's a couple of Brexit fantasists in here still holding out for international trade to take us to the sunny uplands. This rather grim video spells out just how deluded that is....

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

There doesn't seem to be much thought given to the possibility of the EU, or some members thereof, saying no to the UK re-entering.
Is it even clear that the UK can re-join? It has been readily assumed so by many in the UK, but I haven't seen a thorough analysis of the question.

I think plenty of strident Remainers on here (myself included) accept that re-entry for the foreseeable, even if we willed it as a nation, is virtually impossible.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

As cathartic as it may be to point out the things people got wrong,it's hardly going to result in a harmonic way forward.

I think for many Remainers the way the ‘victors’ handled the outcome makes that difficult. Prior to 2016, our relationship with the EU was always tempered and restrained in deference to the rump of Euroscepticism that heavily features in this nation’s psyche.

Yet when 52% voted to leave, it was ‘you lost, get over it’ an extreme form of Brexit and egregious rudeness to our neighbours thrown into the mix. The views of the 48% were pretty much ignored.

There was no reciprocity of compromise.

I’m afraid that is going to prevent a harmonious way forward for the foreseeable.

 

[Vic]

There doesn't seem to be much thought given to the possibility of the EU, or some members thereof, saying no to the UK re-entering.
Is it even clear that the UK can re-join? It has been readily assumed so by many in the UK, but I haven't seen a thorough analysis of the question.

Well, I tried a bit of realism for someone who would only vote for someone promising to rejoin.

But almost certainly at the next GE more people in Scotland will vote for parties opposed to independence than for it.

I'm not sure even the SNP really wants a referendum on independence that gives only a 52% vote in favour, and it wouldn't get Scotland back into the EU. But that's the problem - Starmer's approach of realism (Brexit has done for us but we don't need to disengage from EU laws) versus what may be a fantasy of rejoining (Spanish or other veto, is there a lot of sympathy for Scotland, if they let Scotland rejoin that would make it harder to get whole UK support to rejoin - if they ever want us back).

Realpolitik time.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

If we vaporise London, would the rest of the U.K. get enough funding to survive for a decade or so?

 

[RabidCity]

Hard to see any upside with this government on Brexit. There's no doubt we will change at the next GE and hopefully build back from there.

 

[jim tolmies perm]

Hard to see any upside with this government on Brexit. There's no doubt we will change at the next GE and hopefully build back from there.

As Marr says I think it will be a slow surreptitious reintegration back into the single market

 

[bluethrunthru]

There's a couple of Brexit fantasists in here still holding out for international trade to take us to the sunny uplands. This rather grim video spells out just how deluded that is....

Here is another one who travelled with hope in his heart only to be dashed on the loors of reality - we just ain't that impornant now