How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

lust overlord said:
As cathartic as it may be to point out the things people got wrong,it's hardly going to result in a harmonic way forward.

I'd hazard that some of the pro leavers on here would have made a better fist of Brexit than the morons their vote put in charge of it.
Unintended consequences.
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What is weird is that it’s not I who starts these conversations, it only comes up when they want to talk about. No issue with it at all and I’m sympathetic to their voices, but when I subtly refute their assertion then the debate is once again mute. It may be that they just need something to hold on to, to give them a sense of righteousness before they move on. Maybe I should give them a pat on the back next time.

And, you’re right, unintended consequence indeed.
 
blueish swede said:
There doesn't seem to be much thought given to the possibility of the EU, or some members thereof, saying no to the UK re-entering.
Is it even clear that the UK can re-join? It has been readily assumed so by many in the UK, but I haven't seen a thorough analysis of the question.
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I think plenty of strident Remainers on here (myself included) accept that re-entry for the foreseeable, even if we willed it as a nation, is virtually impossible.
 
lust overlord said:
As cathartic as it may be to point out the things people got wrong,it's hardly going to result in a harmonic way forward.
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I think for many Remainers the way the ‘victors’ handled the outcome makes that difficult. Prior to 2016, our relationship with the EU was always tempered and restrained in deference to the rump of Euroscepticism that heavily features in this nation’s psyche.

Yet when 52% voted to leave, it was ‘you lost, get over it’ an extreme form of Brexit and egregious rudeness to our neighbours thrown into the mix. The views of the 48% were pretty much ignored.

There was no reciprocity of compromise.

I’m afraid that is going to prevent a harmonious way forward for the foreseeable.
 
blueish swede said:
There doesn't seem to be much thought given to the possibility of the EU, or some members thereof, saying no to the UK re-entering.
Is it even clear that the UK can re-join? It has been readily assumed so by many in the UK, but I haven't seen a thorough analysis of the question.
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Well, I tried a bit of realism for someone who would only vote for someone promising to rejoin.

Vic said:
But almost certainly at the next GE more people in Scotland will vote for parties opposed to independence than for it.

I'm not sure even the SNP really wants a referendum on independence that gives only a 52% vote in favour, and it wouldn't get Scotland back into the EU. But that's the problem - Starmer's approach of realism (Brexit has done for us but we don't need to disengage from EU laws) versus what may be a fantasy of rejoining (Spanish or other veto, is there a lot of sympathy for Scotland, if they let Scotland rejoin that would make it harder to get whole UK support to rejoin - if they ever want us back).

Realpolitik time.
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Hard to see any upside with this government on Brexit. There's no doubt we will change at the next GE and hopefully build back from there.
 
The perfect fumble said:
There's a couple of Brexit fantasists in here still holding out for international trade to take us to the sunny uplands. This rather grim video spells out just how deluded that is....

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Here is another one who travelled with hope in his heart only to be dashed on the loors of reality - we just ain't that impornant now

 
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