How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[bluethrunthru]

I'm guessing most EU citizens were here to work in hospitality, to improve their English, then go home. Or here doing rural seasonal work. Thus average wages of migrants would be lower - though if the pubs and farms can't find workers at all and businesses go bust that may underestimate their fiscal benefit.

I'm not sure what's embarrassing about the figures.

most of the complaints were the fabled Polish builders undercutting UK builder. When I was in Bournemouth I recall lots of Portuguese waiting staff who indeed came for the summer season then went home and came back next year - no local down there aside from the odd student doing a summer job and not going home it was all EU people. And thats how it worked - like a tide it came in it went out but of course Farage and Johnson and the rest only ever quoted the highest figs in the middle of summer to make their point.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Next Labour announcement! We are rejoining the EU ?

If Labour can stay in that long, I’d assume that there will be 10s of thousands of announcements before that ever happens.

Last on the list, we get on with what we’ve got.

 

[NPBlue]

Next Labour announcement! We are rejoining the EU ?

No. We are decades away from rejoining. There will have to be a general consensus from the majority of politicians and the population for such a move to be considered seriously in Brussels, and there are far too many Eurosceptics around at the moment for that to happen.

I'm in favour of the current government working towards closer ties with the EU. Our economy is suffering by being estranged from our closest trading partrners, and it makes perfect sense to me for our government to reduce the problems associated with our current arrangements.

Express and Mail readers may be frothing at the mouth about it, but they are being marginalised by an increasing majority that back closer ties with the EU as the errors of leaving permeate their brains.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

No. We are decades away from rejoining. There will have to be a general consensus from the majority of politicians and the population for such a move to be considered seriously in Brussels, and there are far too many Eurosceptics around at the moment for that to happen.

I'm in favour of the current government working towards closer ties with the EU. Our economy is suffering by being estranged from our closest trading partrners, and it makes perfect sense to me for our government to reduce the problems associated with our current arrangements.

Express and Mail readers may be frothing at the mouth about it, but they are being marginalised by an increasing majority that back closer ties with the EU as the errors of leaving permeate their brains.

Who knows what the world will look like in a couple of decades.

Edit;
I just had an idea, or maybe you could call it a brainfart. Depends where you’re coming from.

Perhaps the future will involve Ireland/NI/Scotland solving the shared history of NI Catholic/Protestant conundrum. The colonist’s/disposessed centuries old differences now, satisfying both traditions and history by forming the Federal Union of Celtic Kingdoms, or FUCK, for short.
Three separate authorities in Edinburgh Belfast and Dublin, with the seat of government to be discussed or maybe rotated.
NI and Scotland to be subsumed back into the EU and we’d still have a land border with the remains of the UK along Hadrians wall or wherever.

Of course it would involve multiple referenda, so you probably wouldn’t go for it.

 

[Vic]

I suspect there will only be an announcement when the deal has been reached by the usual amount of stealth and sleight of hand

We cannot rejoin the EU by stealth and sleight of hand.

As Brexit has been done, and democracy has thus been served, Leavers can't moan if we get as close to being members as we can...

 

[blueparrot]

Next Labour announcement! We are rejoining the EU ?

Sadly not.

 

[babyape]

Brexit cost UK £27bn in lost trade in first two years, review finds

Despite fall in trade, LSE study says overall impact was more limited than OBR forecasters first estimated

www.theguardian.com

 

[Nightmare Walking]

I think we will be left with a choice regarding rejoining the EU far sooner than everyone thinks.
With Musk making a play on UK politics, I fully expect the Americans to try and fully absorb the UK into their orbit. That's bad news for both the EU and the UK.
I think we will be left with a choice over closer ties with the USA or the UK.
I hope the EU will be far more conciliatory in their tone with the UK and attempt to mend bridges.
We need closer ties with the EU and not with the USA.
We can't exist in isolation.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

We cannot rejoin the EU by stealth and sleight of hand.

As Brexit has been done, and democracy has thus been served, Leavers can't moan if we get as close to being members as we can...

That's the stealthy bit!

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I think we will be left with a choice regarding rejoining the EU far sooner than everyone thinks.
With Musk making a play on UK politics, I fully expect the Americans to try and fully absorb the UK into their orbit. That's bad news for both the EU and the UK.
I think we will be left with a choice over closer ties with the USA or the UK.
I hope the EU will be far more conciliatory in their tone with the UK and attempt to mend bridges.
We need closer ties with the EU and not with the USA.
We can't exist in isolation.

Some very good points, especially the ‘isolation’ bit. Only a theory but as more information comes out of the woodwork, it does look like certain powers want to see the UK isolated, and we allowed it to happen.