How long will the rebuild take?

Lavinda Past said:
You seem to very conveniently 'overlooked' the wealth of Academy talent that has been sold off without being given a decent chance during Pep's tenure.

Rico Lewis is lightweight and isn't good enough for top level. He's a stopgap at best.

Phil Foden is a shadow if the player he was last season. He ghosts through long periods in games, and really has been a waste of time.

James McAtee is the ultimate 'waste of a shirt'. Not because he isn't a decent player, but because Pep is obviously very reluctant to use him, even when a game is in the bag.

Any young Academy player under Pep Guardiola is virtually destined to be overlooked. Looking at the underwhelming players we brought in last summer (at very great expense), it's greatly concerning to see homegrown talent sitting on tge bench gathering cobwebs while so-called 'top' players struggle to reach 50% of past standards.

Pep shouldn't be anywhere near the rebuild.
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Then who should?
 
John Wayne said:
Then who should?
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The job of finding the bext coach is above my pay grade. I'm just saying it shouldn't go to a man whose only job has involved existing top level squads. He has ZERO experience in building a squad from scratch, and now isn't the time for him to learn.
He's a spent force and beeds a two year break from the game imo.
 
Lavinda Past said:
The job of finding the bext coach is above my pay grade. I'm just saying it shouldn't go to a man whose only job has involved existing top level squads. He has ZERO experience in building a squad from scratch, and now isn't the time for him to learn.
He's a spent force and beeds a two year break from the game imo.
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Mad thing to say after 4 consecutive league titles and a European treble haha.
 
Lavinda Past said:
The job of finding the bext coach is above my pay grade. I'm just saying it shouldn't go to a man whose only job has involved existing top level squads. He has ZERO experience in building a squad from scratch, and now isn't the time for him to learn.
He's a spent force and beeds a two year break from the game imo.
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So the job of finding the best coach is above your pay grade, but seemingly sacking the best coach we've ever had is within your pay grade? That does not make sense. If you have no idea about who will make for a suitable successor then your claims to sack Pep cannot be taken seriously. Providing a name and justification might embolden your argument.

Much of our squad planning is left to the DoF, but assuming you're right that the buck stops with the manager over signings, then answer the following - how is it that Pep was able to win a Treble and the league title last season with a squad that included just one player who was at the club when he arrived?
 
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John Wayne said:
So the job of finding the best coach is above your pay grade, but seemingly sacking the best coach we've ever had is within your pay grade? That does not make sense. If you have no idea about who will make for a suitable successor then your claims to sack Pep cannot be taken seriously. Providing a name and justification might embolden your argument.

Much of our squad planning is left to the DoF, but assuming you're right that the buck stops with the manager over signings, then answer the following - how is it that Pep was able to win a Treble and the league title last season with a squad that included just one player who was at the club when he arrived?
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With all due respect mate, I really don't think you know how football works.

All Guardiola had to do when he arrived was identify those existing players who could or couldn't work in his system. He then replaced the few who couldn't with players who could. It's not rocket science. Football is a simple game.

Over subsequent seasons, all he's had to do is 'tweak' here and there. Obviously, he's been exceptionally successful, thanks to Txiki and himself identifying the right players to fit his system.

The simple fact is that the foundations had already been laid by Mancini and Pellegrini, alongside Gary Cook and Txiki respectively.

The current situation is that the foundations have not been adequately maintained over the past couple of seasons. As such, our succession planning in respect of players like KDB, Gundogan, Bernardo, Mahrez, etc has been very poor.

The rebuild will be a two or three season job, and Pep won't be around to see it through. In the circumstances, unless he plans to stay on at City as DoF in the future, I think it would be wrong for him to be allowed to influence / predetermine his successor's team plans.

A new broom should be allowed to sweep clean.
 
Lavinda Past said:
With all due respect mate, I really don't think you know how football works.

All Guardiola had to do when he arrived was identify those existing players who could or couldn't work in his system. He then replaced the few who couldn't with players who could. It's not rocket science. Football is a simple game.

Over subsequent seasons, all he's had to do is 'tweak' here and there. Obviously, he's been exceptionally successful, thanks to Txiki and himself identifying the right players to fit his system.

The simple fact is that the foundations had already been laid by Mancini and Pellegrini, alongside Gary Cook and Txiki respectively.

The current situation is that the foundations have not been adequately maintained over the past couple of seasons. As such, our succession planning in respect of players like KDB, Gundogan, Bernardo, Mahrez, etc has been very poor.

The rebuild will be a two or three season job, and Pep won't be around to see it through. In the circumstances, unless he plans to stay on at City as DoF in the future, I think it would be wrong for him to be allowed to influence / predetermine his successor's team plans.

A new broom should be allowed to sweep clean.
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Wait, so in the 5 windows between now and when his current contract runs out, we shouldn't let him have any say in transfers, but should buy for a future manager we don't even know the name of?
 
Lavinda Past said:
With all due respect mate, I really don't think you know how football works.

All Guardiola had to do when he arrived was identify those existing players who could or couldn't work in his system. He then replaced the few who couldn't with players who could. It's not rocket science. Football is a simple game.

Over subsequent seasons, all he's had to do is 'tweak' here and there. Obviously, he's been exceptionally successful, thanks to Txiki and himself identifying the right players to fit his system.

The simple fact is that the foundations had already been laid by Mancini and Pellegrini, alongside Gary Cook and Txiki respectively.

The current situation is that the foundations have not been adequately maintained over the past couple of seasons. As such, our succession planning in respect of players like KDB, Gundogan, Bernardo, Mahrez, etc has been very poor.

The rebuild will be a two or three season job, and Pep won't be around to see it through. In the circumstances, unless he plans to stay on at City as DoF in the future, I think it would be wrong for him to be allowed to influence / predetermine his successor's team plans.

A new broom should be allowed to sweep clean.
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With all due respect mate, I think you're patronising and ungrateful.

So Pep arrived, looked at the squad, decided who to keep, who to ship out and bought players to fit the system. All of those players he inherited were replaced over time. That pretty much sounds like squad-building.

I can't follow the logic of your argument - Pep basically walked into foundations laid by other managers (we finished 4th the season before Pep walked in), but we can't let another manager inherit a team built by Pep? Managers come and go all the time from clubs and many don't get the chance to build teams like Pep and Arteta. You've got Slot and Maresca in the top two in their first seasons in charge. Pellegrini and Conte won the PL in their first seasons in England. Not every manager walks into a building site. In Pep's case, he supposedly inherited Mancini's and Pellegrini's foundations, won the league a few times, eventually replaced all of those players and won the league some more. He has absolutely earned the right to rebuild this team with a new DoF.
 
Lavinda Past said:
With all due respect mate, I really don't think you know how football works.

All Guardiola had to do when he arrived was identify those existing players who could or couldn't work in his system. He then replaced the few who couldn't with players who could. It's not rocket science. Football is a simple game.

Over subsequent seasons, all he's had to do is 'tweak' here and there. Obviously, he's been exceptionally successful, thanks to Txiki and himself identifying the right players to fit his system.

The simple fact is that the foundations had already been laid by Mancini and Pellegrini, alongside Gary Cook and Txiki respectively.

The current situation is that the foundations have not been adequately maintained over the past couple of seasons. As such, our succession planning in respect of players like KDB, Gundogan, Bernardo, Mahrez, etc has been very poor.

The rebuild will be a two or three season job, and Pep won't be around to see it through. In the circumstances, unless he plans to stay on at City as DoF in the future, I think it would be wrong for him to be allowed to influence / predetermine his successor's team plans.

A new broom should be allowed to sweep clean.
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Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
 
John Wayne said:
With all due respect mate, I think you're patronising and ungrateful.

So Pep arrived, looked at the squad, decided who to keep, who to ship out and bought players to fit the system. All of those players he inherited were replaced over time. That pretty much sounds like squad-building.

I can't follow the logic of your argument - Pep basically walked into foundations laid by other managers (we finished 4th the season before Pep walked in), but we can't let another manager inherit a team built by Pep? Managers come and go all the time from clubs and many don't get the chance to build teams like Pep and Arteta. You've got Slot and Maresca in the top two in their first seasons in charge. Pellegrini and Conte won the PL in their first seasons in England. Not every manager walks into a building site. In Pep's case, he supposedly inherited Mancini's and Pellegrini's foundations, won the league a few times, eventually replaced all of those players and won the league some more. He has absolutely earned the right to rebuild this team with a new DoF.
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Ignore him.

He can't deal with any loses. He said we wouldn't win anything the year we did the treble.

He overreacts and flaps like a little kid that can't have a cookie.
 
No-one can look into the future and see what needs to happen, and then act on it with every bit of certainty in success. But when we look back two seasons when we won the treble then we looked well set for dominance for years to come. But with senior players such as Mahrez, Laporte and Gundogan feeling they had done enough and were ready to go for an easier yet wealthier way of life then it must have knocked Pep back a few places. Losing some of the most important members with Txiki not coming up with similar quality replacements, plus the mid season 115 accusations then it came as a miracle that we still won the title and World Club Cup.
But the accusations didn't go away and I think that this lingering on must be having some negativity on those at the top. How can our club carry on as before until we know for sure as to what is going to happen?
 
Lavinda Past said:
With all due respect mate, I really don't think you know how football works.

All Guardiola had to do when he arrived was identify those existing players who could or couldn't work in his system. He then replaced the few who couldn't with players who could. It's not rocket science. Football is a simple game.

Over subsequent seasons, all he's had to do is 'tweak' here and there. Obviously, he's been exceptionally successful, thanks to Txiki and himself identifying the right players to fit his system.

The simple fact is that the foundations had already been laid by Mancini and Pellegrini, alongside Gary Cook and Txiki respectively.

The current situation is that the foundations have not been adequately maintained over the past couple of seasons. As such, our succession planning in respect of players like KDB, Gundogan, Bernardo, Mahrez, etc has been very poor.

The rebuild will be a two or three season job, and Pep won't be around to see it through. In the circumstances, unless he plans to stay on at City as DoF in the future, I think it would be wrong for him to be allowed to influence / predetermine his successor's team plans.

A new broom should be allowed to sweep clean.
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However Pep will start the ball rolling hence why he was given a 2 year deal. If the board had any real issues with Pep staying and being part of the rebuild he would have been replaced.
 
The rebuild will be big. We need a right back, we have 2 central defenders who are always injured, the midfield is old and slow, our wingers must be the most unproductive players playing that position in the league, and we need a backup striker.

Apart from that nothing else needs doing, well apart from maybe a keeper.
 
Central defender for me would be Van De Ven from Spurs. Quality player.
Midfield x 2 - Any from Zubimendi, Ederson, Wirtz,
Forward. I love Isak at Newcastle
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
The rebuild will be big. We need a right back, we have 2 central defenders who are always injured, the midfield is old and slow, our wingers must be the most unproductive players playing that position in the league, and we need a backup striker.

Apart from that nothing else needs doing, well apart from maybe a keeper.
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Left back?
 
Truth is we don’t know how much of a rebuild we need.

It could be 5/7 players or it could be as little as 2/3.

2 midfielders for me with injuries easing would be enough. A creative outlet and a physical, athletic partner for Rodri.

A Fern type signing would be unreal at this point. Both playing together and dominating midfield.

It’s not an easy question. The club won’t do wholesale changes due to finance. The next 2 windows I would predict 5 in total with a few legends departing.
 
wolviedinho said:
Truth is we don’t know how much of a rebuild we need.

It could be 5/7 players or it could be as little as 2/3.

2 midfielders for me with injuries easing would be enough. A creative outlet and a physical, athletic partner for Rodri.

A Fern type signing would be unreal at this point. Both playing together and dominating midfield.

It’s not an easy question. The club won’t do wholesale changes due to finance. The next 2 windows I would predict 5 in total with a few legends departing.
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Assuming we do lose quite a few players before next season including Walker, Kev, Ederson and some of Silva, Gundog and Grealish I can see us needing 5-6 players
 
chiswick blue said:
Assuming we do lose quite a few players before next season including Walker, Kev, Ederson and some of Silva, Gundog and Grealish I can see us needing 5-6 players
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Which isn’t that bad.

We could sign absolute ballers. The recent track record hasn’t been great but a big part of that was not to replace Kev/bernie etc but to compliment them and challenge them to keep the level high. Unfortunately the new players have failed to overtake the old guard.

Transfer can be so fucking tricky. If we get 3 out of 5 right then I would take that now
 
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