JohnMaddocksAxe said:stony said:It all depends on who he would be playing for. If he had just had the season he's had in a Bolton or Wigan shirt, he would be for sale at around £20M-£25M.
If he'd done it in a rag or Liverpool shirt, you could add another £10M to that.
Come on, get real.
He was brilliant last season but it was bascially his forst outstanding season. You and I might know that he has always shown that he has got top class technique but in terms of setting a price for a player then someone who, to the outsider, could be a one season wonder and has done nothing in international football is never going to fetch £20m.
Gareth Barry has done it for years and is an established England international. Yes, he is older but he has gone for half your price.
Even Valencia, who I think we all agree is over priced, has had several solid years in the Prem and has regularly put in good performances against the best South American international football has to offer.
If he was being sold to one of the big four, with the premium that they pay, he would probably go for something like £8m-10m in my view. I discount ridiculous prices like Glen Johnson because Benetiz has a history of choosing to pay ridiculous money for average players. But even Johnson has a few very good Premiership seasons under his belt.
And none of that is to say that I don't think he is brilliant because, in my view, he should be one of the best players in this league for the next 5 years if he carries on.
JohnMaddocksAxe said:stony said:It all depends on who he would be playing for. If he had just had the season he's had in a Bolton or Wigan shirt, he would be for sale at around £20M-£25M.
If he'd done it in a rag or Liverpool shirt, you could add another £10M to that.
Come on, get real.
He was brilliant last season but it was bascially his forst outstanding season. You and I might know that he has always shown that he has got top class technique but in terms of setting a price for a player then someone who, to the outsider, could be a one season wonder and has done nothing in international football is never going to fetch £20m.
Gareth Barry has done it for years and is an established England international. Yes, he is older but he has gone for half your price.
Even Valencia, who I think we all agree is over priced, has had several solid years in the Prem and has regularly put in good performances against the best South American international football has to offer.
If he was being sold to one of the big four, with the premium that they pay, he would probably go for something like £8m-10m in my view. I discount ridiculous prices like Glen Johnson because Benetiz has a history of choosing to pay ridiculous money for average players. But even Johnson has a few very good Premiership seasons under his belt.
And none of that is to say that I don't think he is brilliant because, in my view, he should be one of the best players in this league for the next 5 years if he carries on.
stony said:JohnMaddocksAxe said:stony said:It all depends on who he would be playing for. If he had just had the season he's had in a Bolton or Wigan shirt, he would be for sale at around £20M-£25M.
If he'd done it in a rag or Liverpool shirt, you could add another £10M to that.
Come on, get real.
He was brilliant last season but it was bascially his forst outstanding season. You and I might know that he has always shown that he has got top class technique but in terms of setting a price for a player then someone who, to the outsider, could be a one season wonder and has done nothing in international football is never going to fetch £20m.
Gareth Barry has done it for years and is an established England international. Yes, he is older but he has gone for half your price.
Even Valencia, who I think we all agree is over priced, has had several solid years in the Prem and has regularly put in good performances against the best South American international football has to offer.
If he was being sold to one of the big four, with the premium that they pay, he would probably go for something like £8m-10m in my view. I discount ridiculous prices like Glen Johnson because Benetiz has a history of choosing to pay ridiculous money for average players. But even Johnson has a few very good Premiership seasons under his belt.
And none of that is to say that I don't think he is brilliant because, in my view, he should be one of the best players in this league for the next 5 years if he carries on.
Think about the sort of player Ireland is and how young, focused and committed he is to being the best. Then look at recent transfers without quoting "inflated prices", It's all about what the market is worth now. I don't think I am being unrealistic in my valuation of him.
As for your valuation of £8-£10M, I think that's laughable. He was going for not much less last season, when people were offering to drive him to Sunderland themselves.
SI has come a long way in a year and he will go even further IMO.
stony said:Another point, how much would it cost to replace him ? That is his true value.
JohnMaddocksAxe said:stony said:JohnMaddocksAxe said:stony said:It all depends on who he would be playing for. If he had just had the season he's had in a Bolton or Wigan shirt, he would be for sale at around £20M-£25M.
If he'd done it in a rag or Liverpool shirt, you could add another £10M to that.
Come on, get real.
He was brilliant last season but it was bascially his forst outstanding season. You and I might know that he has always shown that he has got top class technique but in terms of setting a price for a player then someone who, to the outsider, could be a one season wonder and has done nothing in international football is never going to fetch £20m.
Gareth Barry has done it for years and is an established England international. Yes, he is older but he has gone for half your price.
Even Valencia, who I think we all agree is over priced, has had several solid years in the Prem and has regularly put in good performances against the best South American international football has to offer.
If he was being sold to one of the big four, with the premium that they pay, he would probably go for something like £8m-10m in my view. I discount ridiculous prices like Glen Johnson because Benetiz has a history of choosing to pay ridiculous money for average players. But even Johnson has a few very good Premiership seasons under his belt.
And none of that is to say that I don't think he is brilliant because, in my view, he should be one of the best players in this league for the next 5 years if he carries on.
Think about the sort of player Ireland is and how young, focused and committed he is to being the best. Then look at recent transfers without quoting "inflated prices", It's all about what the market is worth now. I don't think I am being unrealistic in my valuation of him.
As for your valuation of £8-£10M, I think that's laughable. He was going for not much less last season, when people were offering to drive him to Sunderland themselves.
SI has come a long way in a year and he will go even further IMO.
I agree. I suppose it's where you set the benchmark.
The likes of Robinho, Ronaldo, Ribery, Kaka, etc are in a different stratosphere to most footballers and are not in scale at all, so I can't use them. Then there is the odd silly price like Glen Johnson or De Jong.
I think the Valencia price, although I still think it is a tad inflated, is a fair comparison. Whilst I'd much rather have Ireland, I would suspect, and it's just my opinion, that most clubs, looking for proven, safe investments, would be wiling to pay more for him, for the reasons I've stated.
stony said:It's a big if but 'if' Superman continues his form and even manages to improve on it. I see him as being as important to us as Gerard and Lampard are to their respective clubs.
He is talented enough, all the squad say Stevie and Robbie are the ones who impress in training, and if he can do that on the pitch, I drool at the player he could become.
davymcfc said:buying a ball winner: 10 mill
having a hard working playmaker in your squad: 20 million
having stephen ireland play his heart out for the club he loves: priceless
somethings money can't buy...for everything else we have ADUG!