Hughes - for all those slagging him off

C_T_I_D said:
If you are to support the club, then part of supporting the club is supporting the manager. I agree that he should be questioned and criticised in a constructive manner with decisions he makes, but to call for his head when it's obvious he is not going to be sacked anytime soon is more or less borderline stupidity in my opinion.

If Mark Hughes is making the team perform well then he never gets the credit he deserves but if the team is doing badly then it is apparently all his fault even when players like Lescott and Bridge are making induvidual errors for fun. It's a bit out of order really. And the same people who thought Adebayor was the bees knees when he was scoring match in, match out are seemingly slagging him off cos he's not scored since his return. Fickle much?

So, are you advocating managers getting the credit when their players play really well and produce match winning moments of magic o the pitch but never being responsible for their players consistently looking nervous, confused and void of ideas, leading to mistakes and hoofball?

Surely no manager would ever get the chop if they didn't take responsibility for their players actions?

(There's a clue here - successful manager tend to construct a team where mistakes are kept at a minimum - poor ones construct teams where good players look clueless and full of mistakes).

As for always supporting a manager - imo there is a difference between slagging them at a match and following a match. Personally, I couldn't care less if he is bothered by being slagged at a match, it comes with the territory. I don't do it though because it could affect the team.

I see no reason not to point out that a manager is not performing after the game though. And I doubt you do in honesty either (more likely that it is the last bastion of refuge for the 'Hughes is a genius argument). Unless you were totally behind keeping Alan Ball and Frank Clarke for 5 years though - in which case I'll believe that you genuinely are a "the manager must not be criticised man.
 
allan harper said:
Neil McNab said:
He does have the help of £200m worth of players and for £11m in wages you'd have thought they could at least play well even if they can't get results.

And? since when dose ££££ mean you should automatacally become a top 4 side.


Allan if we can't beat Burnley at home, a team who hasn't had any type of result yet away from home and find themselves two goals up then we ar'nt even a top ten side. It's the fact that Liverpool are in a poor run that keeps us looking better than we are.
 
To be fair to Hughes yesterday... After he brought on Petrov for Tevez (with hindsight, he should in my opinion brought on De Jong or Johnson) we had 2 or 3 really good chances to win the game at least 4-2. If this would have happened maybe people would have felt differently about the game... Our defensive failures are there for all to see at the moment, but I just have the feeling that at some point soon we are going to get it right and go on a run and string some wins together... Thats just my take on yesterday. I like Hughes and hope he does well and proves people wrong... Also, we haven't had that back four consistently playing enough in my opinion to form a good relationship and understanding. They need to develop that over a period of sustained games together. The African Cup of Nations isn't going to help either. I must admit though, drawing at home to Fulham and Burnley is not good enough, but I'm not calling for the managers head, not a chance...
 
Why is the confidence of individual players completely shot I wonder ?
 
C_T_I_D said:
If you are to support the club, then part of supporting the club is supporting the manager. I agree that he should be questioned and criticised in a constructive manner with decisions he makes, but to call for his head when it's obvious he is not going to be sacked anytime soon is more or less borderline stupidity in my opinion.

If Mark Hughes is making the team perform well then he never gets the credit he deserves but if the team is doing badly then it is apparently all his fault even when players like Lescott and Bridge are making induvidual errors for fun. It's a bit out of order really. And the same people who thought Adebayor was the bees knees when he was scoring match in, match out are seemingly slagging him off cos he's not scored since his return. Fickle much?

Nah, sorry mate, but individual errors can be forgiven. That defense was totally unorganised yesterday. The players don't choose to be played out of position and route 1 wank football is the choice of the manager. The only thing fickle is your defense of our manager.
 
C_T_I_D said:
Fickle much?


You flip flopped your opinion on Hughes on a weekly basis last season, not really the best one to talk about fickleness I'm afraid.
 
i personally found him a strange appointment in the first place, fair enough he done well with wales and blackburn but there were no expectations on him to win things. and the football his teams played were physical to put it mildly, definitely the wrong choice after the way sven had the boys playing
 
No, I'm not necessarily adcovating that he should receive the credit when his players play well but he should receive the credit for his team selection if we succeed and up to now we are doing. We remain on course to achieve a top four to top six position and a good cup run. Yes, we are hitting a shit patch but other teams will aswell throughout the season. I don't expect Liverpool will be as bad as they have been lately.

And by the way, you can argue my points but you can't argue statistics as much as you'd like to:

1 loss all season.
6th in the table.
Game in hand against Everton.

You do not sack a manager who has got us through to the quarter finals of a cup and one who still has a team capable of finishing fourth to sixth when more or less a third of the season has gone.

If we beat Liverpool at Anfield you can gauruntee threads like this won't exist because all will be rosey in the garden, people won't mind the draws because we won that game and all the players will be great as will Mark Hughes. It's seemingly the way this board works. But temporarily the sky is falling for this week.
 

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