LoveCity said:Leslie, the biggest charlatan in football management, lands another job worth millions to him. Hats off to Kia Joorabchian for making a sucker out of another club owner.
The Flash said:thenabster said:without a dream said:Can we start a list?
Roque Santa Cruz, £17.5m, £90,000/week.
Yeah start a list.
You're telling me that you absolutely hate a manager because he might have overspent on a player!? How many managers have not over spent on a player. So if you hate him so much for bad signings, what will you do with a manger that relegates the team? Kill him?
That was just the start of the list. Mark Hughes paid that money for RSC and handed him that contract without the player undergoing a medical. He was a crock and nothing justified Hughes' decision.
Hughes does not have the ability to instill backbone into his teams. QPR only stayed up at the end of the previous season because of results elsewhere going in their favour.
He cannot organise a back four.
His net spend at MCFC was £201m in which time we won nothing.
He spent £18m last summer at QPR and was sacked before Christmas with QPR at the foot of the table.
He walked out on Fulham the previous season thinking he'd get the job at Villa. So his loyalty has to be questioned.
Mark Hughes will not progress SCFC any further than Pulis has. They may score more goals, but they will also concede more.
thenabster said:It puzzles me how much people here hate Hughes. I mean what has he done so bad to us ?
Also in his defense, he had a great spell at Blackburn, getting them to 6th position in 2006 or something.
He also had a great spell at Fulham. Plus I won't call his spell with us a disaster.
So yeah I don't understand why people here or even around hate him so much.
The Flash said:thenabster said:without a dream said:Can we start a list?
Roque Santa Cruz, £17.5m, £90,000/week.
Yeah start a list.
You're telling me that you absolutely hate a manager because he might have overspent on a player!? How many managers have not over spent on a player. So if you hate him so much for bad signings, what will you do with a manger that relegates the team? Kill him?
That was just the start of the list. Mark Hughes paid that money for RSC and handed him that contract without the player undergoing a medical. He was a crock and nothing justified Hughes' decision.
Hughes does not have the ability to instill backbone into his teams. QPR only stayed up at the end of the previous season because of results elsewhere going in their favour.
He cannot organise a back four.
His net spend at MCFC was £201m in which time we won nothing.
He spent £18m last summer at QPR and was sacked before Christmas with QPR at the foot of the table.
He walked out on Fulham the previous season thinking he'd get the job at Villa. So his loyalty has to be questioned.
Mark Hughes will not progress SCFC any further than Pulis has. They may score more goals, but they will also concede more.
cleavers said:He took us into relegation trouble in Dec 2008 after 2 wins in 12 league games, and should have been sacked after we lost at West Brom just before christmas.thenabster said:without a dream said:Can we start a list?
Roque Santa Cruz, £17.5m, £90,000/week.
Yeah start a list.
You're telling me that you absolutely hate a manager because he might have overspent on a player!? How many managers have not over spent on a player. So if you hate him so much for bad signings, what will you do with a manger that relegates the team? Kill him?
We did improve in the spring, finishing 10th, 16 points above relegation, but not before a humiliating home defeat by Nottingham Forest in the 3rd round of the FA Cup, and we won just 2 away games all season.
We're still getting rid of the deadwood he brought here, some 4 years later.
Not all his fault, his backroom staff are worse, and I see he's bringing them all with him.
Churchill123 said:LoveCity said:Leslie, the biggest charlatan in football management, lands another job worth millions to him. Hats off to Kia Joorabchian for making a sucker out of another club owner.
Its unreal isn't it! - Everyone know's he's shite! - Well obviously not everyone does it would seem.. Or i'm completely wrong about the bloke..
I'm prepared to say here and now that Stoke this season will total less points than the average number of points that pullis won durring the past 3 seasons..
jma said:thenabster said:It puzzles me how much people here hate Hughes. I mean what has he done so bad to us ?
Also in his defense, he had a great spell at Blackburn, getting them to 6th position in 2006 or something.
He also had a great spell at Fulham. Plus I won't call his spell with us a disaster.
So yeah I don't understand why people here or even around hate him so much.
I severely dislike him as a football manager (he might be an alright bloke Who knows? Although given the trait that I am about to mention it would seem to be at odds with that) because he is a spineless excuse maker that will shit on absolutely anyone rather than admit his own shortcomings and jeopardise his cushy contracts.
Whilst here he immediately set about denigrating the previous management, the players he inherited, the fitness levels of the squad, the training facilities and all members of the backroom staff from the youth coaches to the player liaison bloke.
He wasn't taking over a tin pot, League 2 outfit. He was taking over an established Premiership club with a quality stadium and a modern, recently purpose built training facility. And he was coming from Blackburn.
But his main priority is to couch every single utterance from his mouth in terms that point towards him receiving praise. As his teams are no better than extremely average at best, this means that it has to involve trying paint the extremely average, or below average, as stupendous. Thus trying to make out that he has achieved the average against a backdrop of incompetence of others.
Perhaps every manager does this to some extent but the extent to which Hughes will go in pursuit of this - briefing against his own players, questioning/criticising the achievements/skills of others (inside and outside of his own club) and keeping a straight face whilst basically constantly claiming that he is some sort of advanced football visionary.
Why is the media so far up his backside? Partially because he was the boyhood hero for some of them but partially because they know he is happy to use them whenever it suits him and he and his staff will be 'their mate' and feed them stuff about people to save their own skin.
In summary, I can't stand his blame culture and the way he will not even blink before shitting on someone else if he imagines it offers him even the slightest of protection from criticism.
Ask Neil Warnock about that too.
Even hearing him talk today and saying how he had taken over somewhere where Pulis had laid a strong foundation for the club to progress and for him to work with, I strongly suspect what he really meant was "at QPR I took over from that joke, Warnock, who had made the club a joke, giving me no chance to succeed as I was clearing up his shit."
Let's see if he is still praising the legacy of Pulis if they are in the bottom third come Christmas. I doubt it.
thenabster said:It puzzles me how much people here hate Hughes. I mean what has he done so bad to us ?
Also in his defense, he had a great spell at Blackburn, getting them to 6th position in 2006 or something.
He also had a great spell at Fulham. Plus I won't call his spell with us a disaster.
So yeah I don't understand why people here or even around hate him so much.
thenabster said:cleavers said:He took us into relegation trouble in Dec 2008 after 2 wins in 12 league games, and should have been sacked after we lost at West Brom just before christmas.thenabster said:Yeah start a list.
You're telling me that you absolutely hate a manager because he might have overspent on a player!? How many managers have not over spent on a player. So if you hate him so much for bad signings, what will you do with a manger that relegates the team? Kill him?
We did improve in the spring, finishing 10th, 16 points above relegation, but not before a humiliating home defeat by Nottingham Forest in the 3rd round of the FA Cup, and we won just 2 away games all season.
We're still getting rid of the deadwood he brought here, some 4 years later.
Not all his fault, his backroom staff are worse, and I see he's bringing them all with him.
He took us into relegation trouble in Dec 2008 after 2 wins in 12 league games, So !? He finished 10th, respectable position for our team at the time and in his first year. He could build on that the next season.
-- Thu May 30, 2013 3:15 pm --
Churchill123 said:LoveCity said:Leslie, the biggest charlatan in football management, lands another job worth millions to him. Hats off to Kia Joorabchian for making a sucker out of another club owner.
Its unreal isn't it! - Everyone know's he's shite! - Well obviously not everyone does it would seem.. Or i'm completely wrong about the bloke..
I'm prepared to say here and now that Stoke this season will total less points than the average number of points that pullis won durring the past 3 seasons..
How is he shit?
8th with fulham
6th, 10th and 7th with Blackburn.
10th with us
17th with QPR
How is that a shit manager? He's never been relegated and has brought the best out of a few teams like Blackburn.
-- Thu May 30, 2013 3:17 pm --
jma said:thenabster said:It puzzles me how much people here hate Hughes. I mean what has he done so bad to us ?
Also in his defense, he had a great spell at Blackburn, getting them to 6th position in 2006 or something.
He also had a great spell at Fulham. Plus I won't call his spell with us a disaster.
So yeah I don't understand why people here or even around hate him so much.
I severely dislike him as a football manager (he might be an alright bloke Who knows? Although given the trait that I am about to mention it would seem to be at odds with that) because he is a spineless excuse maker that will shit on absolutely anyone rather than admit his own shortcomings and jeopardise his cushy contracts.
Whilst here he immediately set about denigrating the previous management, the players he inherited, the fitness levels of the squad, the training facilities and all members of the backroom staff from the youth coaches to the player liaison bloke.
He wasn't taking over a tin pot, League 2 outfit. He was taking over an established Premiership club with a quality stadium and a modern, recently purpose built training facility. And he was coming from Blackburn.
But his main priority is to couch every single utterance from his mouth in terms that point towards him receiving praise. As his teams are no better than extremely average at best, this means that it has to involve trying paint the extremely average, or below average, as stupendous. Thus trying to make out that he has achieved the average against a backdrop of incompetence of others.
Perhaps every manager does this to some extent but the extent to which Hughes will go in pursuit of this - briefing against his own players, questioning/criticising the achievements/skills of others (inside and outside of his own club) and keeping a straight face whilst basically constantly claiming that he is some sort of advanced football visionary.
Why is the media so far up his backside? Partially because he was the boyhood hero for some of them but partially because they know he is happy to use them whenever it suits him and he and his staff will be 'their mate' and feed them stuff about people to save their own skin.
In summary, I can't stand his blame culture and the way he will not even blink before shitting on someone else if he imagines it offers him even the slightest of protection from criticism.
Ask Neil Warnock about that too.
Even hearing him talk today and saying how he had taken over somewhere where Pulis had laid a strong foundation for the club to progress and for him to work with, I strongly suspect what he really meant was "at QPR I took over from that joke, Warnock, who had made the club a joke, giving me no chance to succeed as I was clearing up his shit."
Let's see if he is still praising the legacy of Pulis if they are in the bottom third come Christmas. I doubt it.
Ok, that's your personal opinion which makes sense. So I'll give you that.
thenabster said:The Flash said:thenabster said:Yeah start a list.
You're telling me that you absolutely hate a manager because he might have overspent on a player!? How many managers have not over spent on a player. So if you hate him so much for bad signings, what will you do with a manger that relegates the team? Kill him?
That was just the start of the list. Mark Hughes paid that money for RSC and handed him that contract without the player undergoing a medical. He was a crock and nothing justified Hughes' decision.
Hughes does not have the ability to instill backbone into his teams. QPR only stayed up at the end of the previous season because of results elsewhere going in their favour.
He cannot organise a back four.
His net spend at MCFC was £201m in which time we won nothing.
He spent £18m last summer at QPR and was sacked before Christmas with QPR at the foot of the table.
He walked out on Fulham the previous season thinking he'd get the job at Villa. So his loyalty has to be questioned.
Mark Hughes will not progress SCFC any further than Pulis has. They may score more goals, but they will also concede more.
He's a coach and he bought a player. That's part of his job. About the failed medical, I'm assuming he was thinking at the time that " here's a player who served me very well at Blackburn, so he probably will be able to shake off this injury" Santa Cruz may have been a flop but all coaches buy flops.
Let me remind everyone that 3 of our greatest heroes in past years were signed by Hughes. Kompany for 6m, Zaba for 7 and De jobg for 16 plus he brought back SWP.
Plus in all fairness, he got hired by a boss that was probably going to spend like QPR, Sunderland and then in a month time he realizes that his new boss has unlimited money. So probably the targets he had for 10m tripled when he ame back with wealthy bosses.
"Hughes does not have the ability to instill backbone into his teams. QPR only stayed up at the end of the previous season because of results elsewhere going in their favour.
He cannot organise a back four. "
Should I remind you that he was the best thing that happened to Blackburn in the past decade ?
Plus he took fulham to 8th position in his only year.
Apart from QPR, he was done pretty well everywhere he has been.
His net spend at MCFC was £201m in which time we won nothing.
He spent a year and a half at city, where you expecting him to win the league in his first year?
He spent £18m last summer at QPR and was sacked before Christmas with QPR at the foot of the table.
So what? What's the point?
He walked out on Fulham the previous season thinking he'd get the job at Villa. So his loyalty has to be questioned.
I will give you this. I don't understand why he ever left Fulham. I don't know what was going on behind the scenes so I can't speculate. But it's true from my angle that he seems he left the club because he was assuming he was getting an offer from Chelsea or something.
Point being that I feel that at Stoke he'll have the same environment as Blackburn and fulham and we could probably do a great job there. I understand if people don't rate him as a manger but to flat out hate him puzzles me.
The Flash said:thenabster said:The Flash said:That was just the start of the list. Mark Hughes paid that money for RSC and handed him that contract without the player undergoing a medical. He was a crock and nothing justified Hughes' decision.
Hughes does not have the ability to instill backbone into his teams. QPR only stayed up at the end of the previous season because of results elsewhere going in their favour.
He cannot organise a back four.
His net spend at MCFC was £201m in which time we won nothing.
He spent £18m last summer at QPR and was sacked before Christmas with QPR at the foot of the table.
He walked out on Fulham the previous season thinking he'd get the job at Villa. So his loyalty has to be questioned.
Mark Hughes will not progress SCFC any further than Pulis has. They may score more goals, but they will also concede more.
He's a coach and he bought a player. That's part of his job. About the failed medical, I'm assuming he was thinking at the time that " here's a player who served me very well at Blackburn, so he probably will be able to shake off this injury" Santa Cruz may have been a flop but all coaches buy flops.
Let me remind everyone that 3 of our greatest heroes in past years were signed by Hughes. Kompany for 6m, Zaba for 7 and De jobg for 16 plus he brought back SWP.
Plus in all fairness, he got hired by a boss that was probably going to spend like QPR, Sunderland and then in a month time he realizes that his new boss has unlimited money. So probably the targets he had for 10m tripled when he ame back with wealthy bosses.
"Hughes does not have the ability to instill backbone into his teams. QPR only stayed up at the end of the previous season because of results elsewhere going in their favour.
He cannot organise a back four. "
Should I remind you that he was the best thing that happened to Blackburn in the past decade ?
Plus he took fulham to 8th position in his only year.
Apart from QPR, he was done pretty well everywhere he has been.
His net spend at MCFC was £201m in which time we won nothing.
He spent a year and a half at city, where you expecting him to win the league in his first year?
He spent £18m last summer at QPR and was sacked before Christmas with QPR at the foot of the table.
So what? What's the point?
He walked out on Fulham the previous season thinking he'd get the job at Villa. So his loyalty has to be questioned.
I will give you this. I don't understand why he ever left Fulham. I don't know what was going on behind the scenes so I can't speculate. But it's true from my angle that he seems he left the club because he was assuming he was getting an offer from Chelsea or something.
Point being that I feel that at Stoke he'll have the same environment as Blackburn and fulham and we could probably do a great job there. I understand if people don't rate him as a manger but to flat out hate him puzzles me.
Are you related to him or something? "The best thing to happen to Blackburn in the past ten years?" Are you joking? Sam Allardyce was the best thing that happened to Blackburn in the last ten years, shame Venky's didn't see it that way.
Mark Hughes is second only to Twitcher when it comes to spunking a clubs money up the wall without any return on the expense, hence my reference to his spending at the two clubs. At least Harry Redknapp has an FA Cup win.
He purchased Kompany and played him in midfield. Zabaleta was a walking red-card under Hughes. Both players only improved after Hughes was fucked off.