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I was in Stoke today and I disagree with much of this post. Stoke might not have the same level of gun crime as some larger cities' urban jungles, but it has more than its share of severe problems particular to itself: the prevalence of 'monkey dust' use among its underclass being a prime example.

Big cities, even Liverpool, have an energy about themselves which smaller cities like Stoke cannot emulate.

In its own way, Stoke is as bad, if not worse than Liverpool in many respects.

Absolute rubbish.

Poorest places in england 2014

1. Toxteth (East) Liverpool
2. Shaw Road, Oldham
3. Anfield, Liverpool
4. Collyhurst, Manchester
5. Kirkholt, Rochdale
6. Toxteth (West), Liverpool
7. Heyworth Street, Liverpool
8. Queens Road, Liverpool
9. South Shore, Blackpool
10. Cannon Park, Middlesbrough

Funny that nowhere in stoke to be seen, but plenty of liverpool...and with poverty comes social issues.

Many of the players who play for the manchester clubs/liverpool/stoke, are very likely living in cheshire anyway, which borders all three area's. Cheshire being the 2nd richest place in england.

But to say stoke is as bad, or worse, than liverpool is beyond ridiculous.
 
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Absolute rubbish.

Poorest places in england 2014

1. Toxteth (East) Liverpool
2. Shaw Road, Oldham
3. Anfield, Liverpool
4. Collyhurst, Manchester
5. Kirkholt, Rochdale
6. Toxteth (West), Liverpool
7. Heyworth Street, Liverpool
8. Queens Road, Liverpool
9. South Shore, Blackpool
10. Cannon Park, Middlesbrough

Funny that nowhere in stoke to be seen, but plenty of liverpool...and with poverty comes social issues.

Many of the players who play for the manchester clubs/liverpool/stoke, are very likely living in cheshire anyway, which borders all three area's. Cheshire being the 2nd richest place in england.

But to say stoke is as bad, or worse, than liverpool is beyond ridiculous.
Where did I mention poverty? Don't see any former mining towns on that list, but they house the among the worst heroin addiction problems in the country. Social issues are not simply related to such crude yardsticks as income.

Your defence of your hometown is understandable, but misguided. I don't have a downer on Stoke; I like its people, and find them friendly, but it has significant social issues. This is manifest.

Not sure where footballers live has anything to do with the point I was advancing. Of course Stoke players won't live in Tunstall. Funnily enough I once had a conversation with Dominic Matteo before he signed for Stoke from Blackburn where we discussed him continuing to live in Hale if he were to play for Stoke, which he continued to after he moved. I expect many of the Stoke players (as well as some West Brom and Villa players) commute from Cheshire.
 
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Compare bentilee with places like toxteth...

What is ignorant about what you are saying is that something that is bog standard in any really bad city,(a drug dealer oh my!)which wouldn't even make the news in such places or they would be reporting 24/7, is big enough of a deal to make the news in stoke. That tells you something. The lad had a class b drug in his possession, some scales, and £290 in cash on him!!! holy jesus thats the bust of the year!

Toxteth in liverpool, handsworth in birmingham, hackney in london, even moss side in your very own manchester make our rough places seem utterly insignificant. Lets see a one off drug dealer getting arrested(with £290 cash no less) making a headlines in any of those places regional news.

Poverty absolutely has everything to do with social issues, if you don't agree with this then you have never been the wrong side of the tracks imo...personally i think america have it right in that regard.

Every place that is classed as a city "has significant social issues that are manifest", nowhere is invulnerable to this in the UK. But stoke i'd say is way off most of the bigger cities, whilst there are many lovely places in and around it. The surrounding area is absolutely lush.
 
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Compare bentilee with places like toxteth...

What is ignorant about what you are saying is that something that is bog standard in any really bad city,(a drug dealer oh my!)which wouldn't even make the news in such places or they would be reporting 24/7, is big enough of a deal to make the news in stoke. That tells you something. The lad had a class b drug in his possession, some scales, and £290 in cash on him!!! holy jesus thats the bust of the year!

Toxteth in liverpool, handsworth in birmingham, hackney in london, even moss side in your very own manchester make our rough places seem utterly insignificant. Lets see a one off drug dealer getting arrested(with £290 cash no less) making a headlines in any of those places regional news.

Poverty absolutely has everything to do with social issues, if you don't agree with this then you have never been the wrong side of the tracks imo...personally i think america have it right in that regard.

Every place that is classed as a city "has significant social issues that are manifest", nowhere is invulnerable to this in the UK. But stoke i'd say is way off most of the bigger cities, whilst there are many lovely places in and around it. The surrounding area is absolutely lush.
I can virtually guarantee that I deal with people on the 'wrong side of the tracks' far more than you do. Every single day. Don't assume because I have a masterful command of English that I'm not streetwise. I'm certain anyone who's met me on this board will confirm what I'm saying in relation to that.

The article I posted was for stony's benefit, not to compare Bentilee with Toxteth. To use it to advance your point is using Godwin's Law pretty much to the max.

Poverty does not have everything to do with social issues. The world is far more complex than that.
 

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