I am voting Labour next ....talk me out of it.

Jack74 said:
I never voted and I won’t but I wouldn’t even mind if Labour get in next time , it will be about the same just slightly better ,
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So, apathy and no real say is your choice. Fair play. Not a dig at you.

It'd be good if everyone who previously didn't vote took a bit of time to back a team and make their votes count. It'd be a fairer representation if voter turnout was higher. UK politics is such a turnoff and compounded further so, year on year. The system won't change without voter input and efforts. Shame.
 
Too many politicians looking after themselves. All sides but how can you ignore the Torie's cock-ups over the last 5 years. Their support and then backtracking after they try to defend a corrupt mate and get called out for it. The Party attracts idiots like Zahawi, Truss, Hancock and Boris himself. Final point the Daily Fail supports them. Need I say more other than what have the Tories ever done for you or your ancestors? Stop thinking that they will one day and boot them out.
 
ColinBellsjockstrap said:
OK,

Since 1971 I have always voted for the Conservative party, a Margaret Thatcher fan (Although she did have her faults), but I am now totally disillusioned with this shower of s
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t who go from crisis to crisis,( I do have a certain amount of sympathy with them because they did have covid19 to deal with, which must have been a nightmare)...but now I have had enough.
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Liz Truss and that idiotic chancellor was the last straw.

Now I know Starmer is rather bland and doesn't seem to come up with any policies. just criticise the Tories all the time and I used to hate Angela Rayner but I am coming round to thinking she is OK, talks a lot of sense, even though she lets her mouth get carried away a bit, but time for a new broom?

Thoughts?
scratchchin
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The Tory party need to be booted into the long grass by the electorate for the health of the country. Voting Labour in England seems the surest way of achieving that. He is Tory lite after all, but not contaminated by the corruption and venality of the current government bastards. The
I want my politics to state what they believe in so will continue to support SNP As the most likely path back into Europe.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It’s a serious question

For those very pro EU and with Starmer recently committing to staying in and ‘making Brexit work’ then Lib Dem is the only option

I think everyone is brainwashed into thinking it has to be either Labour or Tories - and that’s why Lib Dem don’t stand a chance
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I’ve voted Lib Dems a few times. I live in a Tory safe seat and my decision may well be different if it was a marginal, but even then I’d struggle with it.

I am a big advocate for changing the parliamentary system and that’s only going to change if the two party system is broken. If I vote for either of them, then there’s no way of registering what my true opinion is and so I’ve never got an actual voice in parliament.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It’s a serious question

For those very pro EU and with Starmer recently committing to staying in and ‘making Brexit work’ then Lib Dem is the only option

I think everyone is brainwashed into thinking it has to be either Labour or Tories - and that’s why Lib Dem don’t stand a chance
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It's their EU stance that is the main reason I'll be voting Lib-Dem for the foreseeable future.

I find it astonishing that so many people consider Brexit as the biggest problem facing the country, yet continue to vote Labour or Conservative.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
It's their EU stance that is the main reason I'll be voting Lib-Dem for the foreseeable future.

I find it astonishing that so many people consider Brexit as the biggest problem facing the country, yet continue to vote Labour or Conservative.
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I do have a cling of hope that Labour would actually make progress in our relationship with the EU and not take the gung ho out all costs the Tories have taken
 
There really is no viable centrist option and it’s about time a party offered one. On one side you have the Rees Mogg types and on the other the Angela Rayners with their polarised politics.
I accept that no political party is perfect but everything in politics feels more and more binary these days.
As to who to vote for, well it comes down to a change is as good as a rest for me.
 
ColinBellsjockstrap said:
OK,

Since 1971 I have always voted for the Conservative party, a Margaret Thatcher fan (Although she did have her faults), but I am now totally disillusioned with this shower of s
censored.gif
t who go from crisis to crisis,( I do have a certain amount of sympathy with them because they did have covid19 to deal with, which must have been a nightmare)...but now I have had enough.
rage
Liz Truss and that idiotic chancellor was the last straw.

Now I know Starmer is rather bland and doesn't seem to come up with any policies. just criticise the Tories all the time and I used to hate Angela Rayner but I am coming round to thinking she is OK, talks a lot of sense, even though she lets her mouth get carried away a bit, but time for a new broom?

Thoughts?
scratchchin
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I’ll probably wait for the manifestos.

Sunak is stuck and having to appease different factions within the tories. Starmer isn’t but may be come the manifesto - unless they are so far ahead in the polls they will need the activist out there and he will need to appease them with something.

State of our politics that we end up voting for what we think is the least shit option. I can foresee turnout being a record low, with Starmer polling lower than Corbyn.
 
metalblue said:
I’ll probably wait for the manifestos.

Sunak is stuck and having to appease different factions within the tories. Starmer isn’t but may be come the manifesto - unless they are so far ahead in the polls they will need the activist out there and he will need to appease them with something.

State of our politics that we end up voting for what we think is the least shit option. I can foresee turnout being a record low, with Starmer polling lower than Corbyn.
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Not sure if I trust a word in the manifestos. How many of the Conservatives manifesto “pledges” have been broken ?

“No one will have to pay for private care” - broken

Levelling up with Northern Powerhouse Rail - massively descaled to the extent it bares no resemblance to what was stated.

Maintaining the pension triple lock - broken the other year.

0.7% of GDP on international aid - broken

Amongst many others. To me it should be you stick to your manifesto promises or it triggers an election. This would stop parties promising the world and delivering nothing.
 
Kompany Car said:
There really is no viable centrist option and it’s about time a party offered one. On one side you have the Rees Mogg types and on the other the Angela Rayners with their polarised politics.
I accept that no political party is perfect but everything in politics feels more and more binary these days.
As to who to vote for, well it comes down to a change is as good as a rest for me.
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I'm in the same boat.

As it stands I'd probably go for Labour just to get the Tories out. I'm not interested either in gender identity politics or any of the other nonsense that pollutes politics nowadays. However, Labour are probably the least worst option on the table right now and it's the only way to signal massive reform in the Tories.

The Lib Dems are just a copy-cat Labour option, they can't win an election and they aren't a centrist protest vote anymore nor have they been since the Clegg/Cable days. They were a soft alternative to the Tories if you didn't fancy Corbyn but he's long gone.

I always thought that Sunak would be a refreshing moderniser and he'd boot out the lunatics but his appeasement to the hard-right in the Tory party sums up why we need to get them out.
 
Kompany Car said:
Not sure if I trust a word in the manifestos. How many of the Conservatives manifesto “pledges” have been broken ?

“No one will have to pay for private care” - broken

Levelling up with Northern Powerhouse Rail - massively descaled to the extent it bares no resemblance to what was stated.

Maintaining the pension triple lock - broken the other year.

0.7% of GDP on international aid - broken

Amongst many others. To me it should be you stick to your manifesto promises or it triggers an election. This would stop parties promising the world and delivering nothing.
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Fair points. I suppose they signal some sort of intent
 
I have lived all my life in either a conservative stronghold (currently) or a cons seat that has swung back n forth between lib dems ( in my previous house 12 years ago)

In a way ive never had the chance to vote labour as it was always going to be a wasted vote. I know there isnt such a thing as such

My consistency is currently macclesfield , which has never been anything but tory with labour a pretty far back second. Ive always been pretty apolitical, no party has ever totally floated my boat but i admit ive generally been to the right of politics.

but ive had an epiphany over the last six months and ive decided i shall vote labour in 2 years time. Deep down i know labour dont have a cat in hells chance in macc, but ive decided my vote DOES count. It might not contribute towards labour being elected due to our crappy system. But if labour get in ill feel my vote did count

Sorry for the waffle. But yeah… VOTE LABOUR
 
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Reasons to stay with the Conservatives:

  • Defund the NHS in order to privatise it, giving you the chance to take out expensive private insurance meaning you are first in the cue while those with less money can basically swivel.

  • Defund schools while giving charity status to public schools, giving your children the best education and better paid jobs while making it ever more difficult for those with less money to take those jobs.

  • Consistently prove that integrity does not matter as you don’t care about it as long as you are in the higher percentile of earners and will make even more money while they are in government.

I could go on all night but all reasons to vote Tory are caveated by you being in a position of wealth, having little or no moral values whilst not really caring about those who are worse off than yourself, although you do pretend to when lesser people are in your company .
 
Bluesince1979 said:
I have lived all my life in either a conservative stronghold (currently) or a cons seat that has swung back n forth between lib dems ( in my previous house 12 years ago)

In a way ive never had the chance to vote labour as it was always going to be a wasted vote. I know there isnt such a thing as such

My consistency is currently macclesfield , which has never been anything but tory with labour a pretty far back second. Ive always been pretty apolitical, no party has ever totally gloated my vote but i admit ive generally been to the right of politics.

but ive had an epiphany over the last six months and ive decided i shall vote labour in 2 years time. Deep down i know labour dont have a cat in hells chance in macc, but ive decided my vote DOES count. It might not contribute towards labour being elected due to our crappy system. But if labour get in ill feel my vote did count

Sorry for the waffle. But yeah… VOTE LABOUR
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If a party receives a higher vote count than last, that could be whats needed to get the momentum moving where it needs to be. It may take a while but at least it opens the options.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
If a party receives a higher vote count than last, that could be whats needed to get the momentum moving where it needs to be. It may take a while but at least it opens the options.
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In the last but one election there was a swing of 7% to labour, but a 2% swing back to cons last time but that was the boris/get brexit done effect i guess , so it could swung back
 
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