I Believe in Miracles (film about Nottingham Forest)

[Vienna_70]

Technically THIS country didn't produce Fergie so regardless you're right!

It depends on how you describe this country.

If you mean England, then you're correct, but the United Kingdom is also this country.

 

[jimharri]

Technically THIS country didn't produce Fergie so regardless you're right!

Busby and the GPC; the sweaties have a lot to answer for!

 

[Vienna_70]

Busby and the GPC; the sweaties have a lot to answer for!

While the GPC was / is a complete ****, at least Sir Matt was a gentleman and he played for God's Own Team.

 

[jimharri]

While the GPC was / is a complete ****, at least Sir Matt was a gentleman and he played for God's Own Team.

Fair point, but he did too good a job there! That's what I was getting at, not their characteristics. Sir Matt and GPC are about as far apart in behaviour/manners as you can get.

 

[Blue Streak]

I'm sure it has been found to be a game that had been 'fixed'

I think whilst highly dubious the game you are more than likely thinking of was the UEFA Cup Semi Final Clough guided Forest to in 1984 when over a decade later it emerged that the referee had infact been bribed by Anderlecht.

 

[Vienna_70]

Fair point, but he did too good a job there! That's what I was getting at, not their characteristics. Sir Matt and GPC are about as far apart in behaviour/manners as you can get.

Fair enough, Jim.

Yes I did misunderstand your point.

 

[PragueBlue]

what Brian Clough achieved in his career eclipses bacon faces achievements by some way , sick of hearing how bf is the greatest manager of all time etc etc . Clough took Derby County ,a mid table second division side and got them to a European cup semi final , he then went one better with Nottingham Forest and with some fairly average players , odds n sods and misfits and turned them into one of the top teams in Europe with none of the financial advantages Ferguson always had , good to see with this film the man getting some credit , absolutely criminal given that he would have walked over hot coals for the job that he never got to manage England

He was certainly an excellent manager but things were different in those days and competitions were much more open. Forest's opponents in the 1970 final were Malmo from Sweden. Could you imagine a Swedish team making the final nowadays? Villa won it a couple of years later too. Unthinkable these days not because of the managers of these clubs but the way football has changed. As much as I may dislike the man, the achievements of Ferguson shouldn't be downplayed. He broke up the duopoly of Rangers and Celtic in Scotland with Aberdeen and won a European trophy with them before his success at the rags.

I very much doubt either of them could replicate that level of success in todays game

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

He was certainly an good excellent but things were different in those days and competitions were much more open. Forest's opponents in the 1970 final were Malmo from Sweden. Could you imagine a Swedish team making the final nowadays? Villa won it a couple of years later too. Unthinkable these days not because of the managers of these clubs but the way football has changed. As much as I may dislike the man, the achievements of Ferguson shouldn't be downplayed. He broke up the duopoly of Rangers and Celtic in Scotland with Aberdeen and won a European trophy with them before his success at the rags.

I very much doubt either of them could replicate that level of success in todays game

I cannot see why people constantly try to compare football in general or player and mangers, across different decades/eras.
The game has changed so much. Suffice to say, for us oldies who were there, Clough's Forest side were a great side to watch.
He honed hard working players and made sure they did their job. Which they did with a good balance of aggression and finesse.

I never saw Clough play, but my dad says he was a fantastic centre forward who put everything into his game.
This, he expected from all of his players. No loitering in his sides.

 

[stonerblue]

Wish i hadn't started this thread now as reading through it makes me feel very old.

I used to play in the street outside Shiltons house and i once played for LE united aged 15...

 

[LadislavMplmx]

I think whilst highly dubious the game you are more than likely thinking of was the UEFA Cup Semi Final Clough guided Forest to in 1984 when over a decade later it emerged that the referee had infact been bribed by Anderlecht.

The ref from the juventus semi final was proved to have been bribed a few years back,there had been speculation for years