I hate this government

[mackenzie]

This is what some public sector workers would have us believe, but it simply isn't true.

Such shameless self-praise not pretty to see.

Some public sector types genuinely do believe they are a better type of person, who work primarily to give a service and not for money like the rest of us miserable, greedy types.

Paradoxically, this causes them to demand they are sheltered from economic woes and given pay rises when the rest of us aren't getting them.

So despite allegedly not being motivated by money they are never slow to insist that their own personal finances are protected at everyone else's expense.

Well, considering our targets (as laid down by Government) involve what direction people's lives take then I'd say its the Government's idea. Not mine.
And it might have been better if you had quoted me in full rather than editing it.

I think my quote was sufficient for the point I made.

Public sector staff are acutely aware of money and pay when it comes to their jobs, just like everyone else. If anything, private sector workers often try harder to give good service to their clientele than many public sector ones for the simple reason that they need to please those customers to retain them and stop them going elsewhere.

It's about time nurses, council staff, firemen etc stopped arguing they are especially altruistic and caring as if they were some noble caste in society and better than the rest of us, and therefore deserving of special financial treatment from a grateful and adoring public.

They should realise they are employed by the public, paid by the public, that the public is thankful for their generally satisfactory service, but like any employees they should expect to share in their employers bad times as well as its good.

You took it completely out of context, but it served your purpose to do so I guess.

The post was in reply to BB and was citing the differences on how the two sectors are measured on 'success.' I'm well placed to see how sometimes workers in the Private Sector get a rough deal from their employers, but this has been in part due to falling Union membership and the buying into the legacy of Thatcher. Whenever a Tory Government get in they slash the Public Sector, mainly because they hate anything that doesn't actually make money. The other attacks re pensions etc are just bullying tactics that they adopt to erode our terms and conditions.
This is why I strike, not because I think I am 'better' than a worker in the Private Sector but because if we don't put up a stand then there is nobody else who will. Before we know it we will be back to Victorian Times re the labour market and our 'voice.' In fact the pay squeeze now is the worst since then, studies show.

 

[mcmanus]

This government will shaft anyone bar their mates who fund them.

I'd rather trust a smackhead with my telly than 'call me Dave'.

 

[whp.blue]

if you dont like the conditions of your job then leave , theres many others who will do it for what is on offer

Here we go.

Actually he has a point whilst it could be worded better If the OP worked in a warehouse for say Argos and they changed the shift patterns to one he didn't like he would just look for another job with better shift patterns and I am sure the position he left would be filled pretty quickly. Bottom line is we all have this as our last resort if you don't like the way your job has developed then get another one or do like I do and set up your own business work for yourself

 

[BimboBob]

This government will shaft anyone bar their mates who fund them.

I'd rather trust a smackhead with my telly than 'call me Dave'.

And the Labour government before them, and the one before them, and the one before...you get the picture. Open your eyes mate, they are all in it to shaft us one way or another.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Well strike dates announced from 6pm on the 31oct to 6pm 4th nov, let's see how they cope on the busiest weekend of the year and those who are wondering why not the 5th well that will be PR and usually it's not as bad as the weekends before when most people have their bonfires etc

 

[smudgedj]

Well strike dates announced from 6pm on the 31oct to 6pm 4th nov, let's see how they cope on the busiest weekend of the year and those who are wondering why not the 5th well that will be PR and usually it's not as bad as the weekends before when most people have their bonfires etc

Let's hope for the best eh?

 

[Judge Roughneck]

if you dont like the conditions of your job then leave , theres many others who will do it for what is on offer

Here we go.

Actually he has a point whilst it could be worded better If the OP worked in a warehouse for say Argos and they changed the shift patterns to one he didn't like he would just look for another job with better shift patterns and I am sure the position he left would be filled pretty quickly. Bottom line is we all have this as our last resort if you don't like the way your job has developed then get another one or do like I do and set up your own business work for yourself

It's not just something as trifling as changing a shift pattern though is it? It's something the bloke signed for over a decade ago, maybe more and paid well over the odds for in comparison to the private sector, 11% rising to 15% soon. He's paid in done his time and being shafted. Simply getting another job is not a realistic option. That isn't going pay his mortgage off is it?
Meanwhile the people who caused the mess walked away unpunished and those who let them get an outrageous pay rise.
It looks like we're about to give Europe 1.7 billion. The money saved on public sector pensions won't save the economy but if they wanted to change the pensions they should have just said anyone who joins after a certain date will be on a different pension scheme (or arrange their own). Not penalise people who have laboured under a misapprehension for nigh on 20 years that their futures are secured.
And anyone who gets a kick out of seeing the public sector workers having their futures ruined is just being vindictive.

 

[Bovril]

I do sympathise BM but whilst I was serving in the Army they changed the pension system twice obviously to our disadvantage, they are also brave men who couldn't voice an opinion or strike they then forced 10,000 to be made redundant whilst serving in Afghanistan. Those same soldiers will have their leave cancelled once again to do your job, not having a go at you because like I said I do sympathise but lets put this into perspective everyone is being punished because of the mess Labour and the politicians got us all in.

 

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

Here we go.

Actually he has a point whilst it could be worded better If the OP worked in a warehouse for say Argos and they changed the shift patterns to one he didn't like he would just look for another job with better shift patterns and I am sure the position he left would be filled pretty quickly. Bottom line is we all have this as our last resort if you don't like the way your job has developed then get another one or do like I do and set up your own business work for yourself

It's not just something as trifling as changing a shift pattern though is it? It's something the bloke signed for over a decade ago, maybe more and paid well over the odds for in comparison to the private sector, 11% rising to 15% soon. He's paid in done his time and being shafted. Simply getting another job is not a realistic option. That isn't going pay his mortgage off is it?
Meanwhile the people who caused the mess walked away unpunished and those who let them get an outrageous pay rise.
It looks like we're about to give Europe 1.7 billion. The money saved on public sector pensions won't save the economy but if they wanted to change the pensions they should have just said anyone who joins after a certain date will be on a different pension scheme (or arrange their own). Not penalise people who have laboured under a misapprehension for nigh on 20 years that their futures are secured.
And anyone who gets a kick out of seeing the public sector workers having their futures ruined is just being vindictive.

That although sensible would never work. If you were to arrange your own pension now as a firemen then you would have to pay double what you are currently doing and build up a pot of around £500,000 to get the same pension that the majority will get under this scheme.

 

[Blue Maverick]

I do sympathise BM but whilst I was serving in the Army they changed the pension system twice obviously to our disadvantage, they are also brave men who couldn't voice an opinion or strike they then forced 10,000 to be made redundant whilst serving in Afghanistan. Those same soldiers will have their leave cancelled once again to do your job, not having a go at you because like I said I do sympathise but lets put this into perspective everyone is being punished because of the mess Labour and the politicians got us all in.

Yes I know mate I'm ex RAF myself and there was nothing more frustrating than not been able to stand up for yourself, as for been called in that's not true yes there maybe a few but nothing like before because there isn't the Army manpower to spare, so you are getting amateurs riding the pumps and officers who have t been operational for 20 odd years plus those who aren't striking but the less said about them the better. Also if you had the option to strike in the forces I bet many would but that's a mute point.