I hate this government

[Bovril]

I do sympathise BM but whilst I was serving in the Army they changed the pension system twice obviously to our disadvantage, they are also brave men who couldn't voice an opinion or strike they then forced 10,000 to be made redundant whilst serving in Afghanistan. Those same soldiers will have their leave cancelled once again to do your job, not having a go at you because like I said I do sympathise but lets put this into perspective everyone is being punished because of the mess Labour and the politicians got us all in.

Yes I know mate I'm ex RAF myself and there was nothing more frustrating than not been able to stand up for yourself, as for been called in that's not true yes there maybe a few but nothing like before because there isn't the Army manpower to spare, so you are getting amateurs riding the pumps and officers who have t been operational for 20 odd years plus those who aren't striking but the less said about them the better. Also if you had the option to strike in the forces I bet many would but that's a mute point.

Yes probably, and I agree about letting the soldiers loose on those Green Goddesses they are in a state (Well they was 10 years ago when I had to command one). They try their best but no way can they do the job your lot do.

 

[Blue Maverick]

There are no green goddess left they all been sold or scrapped mate

 

[Bovril]

There are no green goddess left they all been sold or scrapped mate

That's a relief !!

 

[uwerosler28]

I do sympathise BM but whilst I was serving in the Army they changed the pension system twice obviously to our disadvantage, they are also brave men who couldn't voice an opinion or strike they then forced 10,000 to be made redundant whilst serving in Afghanistan. Those same soldiers will have their leave cancelled once again to do your job, not having a go at you because like I said I do sympathise but lets put this into perspective everyone is being punished because of the mess Labour and the politicians got us all in.

Yes I know mate I'm ex RAF myself and there was nothing more frustrating than not been able to stand up for yourself, as for been called in that's not true yes there maybe a few but nothing like before because there isn't the Army manpower to spare, so you are getting amateurs riding the pumps and officers who have t been operational for 20 odd years plus those who aren't striking but the less said about them the better. Also if you had the option to strike in the forces I bet many would but that's a mute point.

Yes probably, and I agree about letting the soldiers loose on those Green Goddesses they are in a state (Well they was 10 years ago when I had to command one). They try their best but no way can they do the job your lot do.

if you know that the people standing for you are not up to the job then you are making a decision that puts lifes at risk , and that is unforgivable no matter what the cause

 

[law74]

Yes I know mate I'm ex RAF myself and there was nothing more frustrating than not been able to stand up for yourself, as for been called in that's not true yes there maybe a few but nothing like before because there isn't the Army manpower to spare, so you are getting amateurs riding the pumps and officers who have t been operational for 20 odd years plus those who aren't striking but the less said about them the better. Also if you had the option to strike in the forces I bet many would but that's a mute point.

Yes probably, and I agree about letting the soldiers loose on those Green Goddesses they are in a state (Well they was 10 years ago when I had to command one). They try their best but no way can they do the job your lot do.

if you know that the people standing for you are not up to the job then you are making a decision that puts lifes at risk , and that is unforgivable no matter what the cause

As another ex-serviceman that is now a fairly militant trade unionist, there are times when you have to stand for what you believe in, and the blame lies solely with the condem alliance.
maybe we actually listened to the Padre when we were given the moral courage lectures.

 

[Vic]

Yes I know mate I'm ex RAF myself and there was nothing more frustrating than not been able to stand up for yourself, as for been called in that's not true yes there maybe a few but nothing like before because there isn't the Army manpower to spare, so you are getting amateurs riding the pumps and officers who have t been operational for 20 odd years plus those who aren't striking but the less said about them the better. Also if you had the option to strike in the forces I bet many would but that's a mute point.

Yes probably, and I agree about letting the soldiers loose on those Green Goddesses they are in a state (Well they was 10 years ago when I had to command one). They try their best but no way can they do the job your lot do.

if you know that the people standing for you are not up to the job then you are making a decision that puts lifes at risk , and that is unforgivable no matter what the cause

People's lives are being put at risk by cuts in the Fire Service. Two fire engines are needed to send a crew safely into a house on fire - and there are half the crews available from ten years ago, so when yours goes on fire, just hope they aren't already at another one.

 

[smudgedj]

I do sympathise BM but whilst I was serving in the Army they changed the pension system twice obviously to our disadvantage, they are also brave men who couldn't voice an opinion or strike they then forced 10,000 to be made redundant whilst serving in Afghanistan. Those same soldiers will have their leave cancelled once again to do your job, not having a go at you because like I said I do sympathise but lets put this into perspective everyone is being punished because of the mess Labour and the politicians got us all in.

Yes I know mate I'm ex RAF myself and there was nothing more frustrating than not been able to stand up for yourself, as for been called in that's not true yes there maybe a few but nothing like before because there isn't the Army manpower to spare, so you are getting amateurs riding the pumps and officers who have t been operational for 20 odd years plus those who aren't striking but the less said about them the better. Also if you had the option to strike in the forces I bet many would but that's a mute point.

Yes probably, and I agree about letting the soldiers loose on those Green Goddesses they are in a state (Well they was 10 years ago when I had to command one). They try their best but no way can they do the job your lot do.

There is a lot of military who can do the firefighters job. Maybe not army but Navy and RAF.

 

[BimboBob]

Yes probably, and I agree about letting the soldiers loose on those Green Goddesses they are in a state (Well they was 10 years ago when I had to command one). They try their best but no way can they do the job your lot do.

if you know that the people standing for you are not up to the job then you are making a decision that puts lifes at risk , and that is unforgivable no matter what the cause

People's lives are being put at risk by cuts in the Fire Service. Two fire engines are needed to send a crew safely into a house on fire - and there are half the crews available from ten years ago, so when yours goes on fire, just hope they aren't already at another one.

Don't health and safety laws stop you going into buildings unless someone is in there or the fire endangers others?

 

[Judge Roughneck]

Actually he has a point whilst it could be worded better If the OP worked in a warehouse for say Argos and they changed the shift patterns to one he didn't like he would just look for another job with better shift patterns and I am sure the position he left would be filled pretty quickly. Bottom line is we all have this as our last resort if you don't like the way your job has developed then get another one or do like I do and set up your own business work for yourself

It's not just something as trifling as changing a shift pattern though is it? It's something the bloke signed for over a decade ago, maybe more and paid well over the odds for in comparison to the private sector, 11% rising to 15% soon. He's paid in done his time and being shafted. Simply getting another job is not a realistic option. That isn't going pay his mortgage off is it?
Meanwhile the people who caused the mess walked away unpunished and those who let them get an outrageous pay rise.
It looks like we're about to give Europe 1.7 billion. The money saved on public sector pensions won't save the economy but if they wanted to change the pensions they should have just said anyone who joins after a certain date will be on a different pension scheme (or arrange their own). Not penalise people who have laboured under a misapprehension for nigh on 20 years that their futures are secured.
And anyone who gets a kick out of seeing the public sector workers having their futures ruined is just being vindictive.

That although sensible would never work. If you were to arrange your own pension now as a firemen then you would have to pay double what you are currently doing and build up a pot of around £500,000 to get the same pension that the majority will get under this scheme.

The point I'm making though is that New joiners wouldn't expect to get what a present employee would get. They would understand that they would be on a much reduced pension scheme. If they want in, they know where they stand.
The government and the Tories in particular would achieve exactly what they want. Lots of turnover of people doing the Public Sector jobs for 5-10 years then moving on with no great outlays in retirement. What they are doing now to my mind, is no better than the miss-selling of interest only mortgages.
There's other ways of making savings like the tax avoidance lot, and not just the super rich, what about the millions of business owners who save themselves an absolute fortune through their accountants on legal tax loopholes.
I know one business owner who reckons after he had offset his cars, motorbikes, and 6 berth motor home against his business he paid less in income tax than I paid in car tax last year. My own brother in law is a self employed roofer who keeps thousands out of the bank away from the glare of the Inland revenue and claims everything he can back. Or is that just the 'politics of envy'?

 

[Blue Maverick]

if you know that the people standing for you are not up to the job then you are making a decision that puts lifes at risk , and that is unforgivable no matter what the cause

People's lives are being put at risk by cuts in the Fire Service. Two fire engines are needed to send a crew safely into a house on fire - and there are half the crews available from ten years ago, so when yours goes on fire, just hope they aren't already at another one.

Don't health and safety laws stop you going into buildings unless someone is in there or the fire endangers others?

Nope