I never wanted to say this but.....

Eggsy said:
Soulboy said:
And do you think Ancelotti selected Ray Wilkins to be his right hand man..?

They don't seem to be doing too badly with that joint appointment, eh?
Slightly different, as Wilkins speaks Italian, and has links with AC Milan, having played for them. Pretty sure that Mancini would not of known to much about Kidd.


Thanks for answering a different question!

But back to the point... did Ancelotti appoint Wilkins... yes or no?

I very much doubt it, seeing as Wilkins was, I think, already at Chelsea... just like Kidd was.

PS - it's "have" not "of". It deflects from your argument unfortunately.
 
People on here are talking about mancini,s style of football, well i dont know about you but i have yet to see any style in our play under him....................YET
 
okay i signed up to the shed end which is a chelsea forum and i posted a thread about what they thought of mourinho's style of football and one of them posted a something that some porto fan had wrote just after they had signed him and its a fantastic read.

here it is. its a very long read but its worth reading believe me

Another post from a Porto and Mourinho's fan. I'll try to explain which concepts and tactics are behind Mourinho's success.


First of all, let's start with the man. As some of you know, he was born surrounded by football, his father was a goalkeeper in Setubal, and later a average portuguese league coach. In a early age, he walked around with his father teams, and helped his father in small tasks in coaching, like sending tactical messages to the players, and, even, scouting the opponent's teams. He was 15, and from those days he learned the secrets of the locker rooms, and how to adress and understand the players.
He was a bellow average player in the youth teams, but early, choosed to follow his father footsteps and surpass him. Therefore he graduated in a Sports University (ISEF), in football, which gave him the theoretic knowledge on Training Methods which he improved later, being nowdays one of the best in the world in that field, integrating always the ball in the tactical and physical exercices, which boosts player motivation to train and overall abilities.
He is considered by one of his most famous college teatchers to be an absolute genious as a coach, unparalleled in the world.
After his degree he was, as you know, assistant coach to Bobby Robson in Sporting Lisbon, Porto and Barcelona, and to Van Gaal, also in Barcelona.
Before he joined Benfica as the first coach, he spent two years writing everything he knowned about football, coaching, and training in a book, which he calls 'The Bible', and which is kept secret (for all i know it was only given to Porto's Chairman, Pinto da Costa, aka The Pope, loll).
This secrecy over his methods is one of the reason's why Mourinho always closes the trainings to the public. Porton fans could only attend to the trainings, on the days following a defeat (that was the agreement made by JM with the fans), and fortunately we hardly did.

One small defect on Mourinho is to be pointed: He's Ego. He is a knowned Narcisist (even diagnosed by a knowkned Psychoanalyst in Portugal) and, eventualy, the teams he coachs, will after 2 or 3 years worn out of him, because of the way he takes success as his own accomplishment, therefore stripping the players of the spotlights. This tends to at a short term motivate the team, seeing themselves in the coach's confidence, but at the long term, they tend to feel that their personal conquests as teamplayers is overshadowed by the focus on the coach. That also was starting to happen in Porto, just before he left, with a huge respect from the players for JM's abilities as a coach, but with a growing distance from the man. Two small episodes from Mourinho's history in Porto: - When he won the UEFA Cup, he ran around the pitch alone, jumping and screaming, while the players celebrated in the oposite side.
- This year after winning the Champions League he did not celebrated with the players, he prefered to go and join his family on the bench, and did not fly home with the players to the apotheothic celebration with the fans, as they did.

To finish the 'Man issue', we can say that he's one of those guys that you love or hate, because he is good, he knows it, shows it and is arrogant if needed. You can hope for a close relation with the team fans, and a dubious relation with the press, the rival managers, and the other teams fans. My guess, is that you Blues fans will adore him, and everyone else will hate him. Just has it happend here in Portugal.



The skills:

Mourinho is world class in:

- Motivating players - wether it is on the locker rooms, or by statements to the press that work, indirectly, has a message for the team. He also has very strong starts in the game (forget the championsleague final) and at the start of the second halfs. He's one of the best giving the team a feeling of reunion, of working together for the same objective, sometime's choosing an exterior enemy to gather the troops against, and it could be the press, a rival club or coach. His players tend to be confident (almost arrogant) and not to shake in important matches, and his team, always (i mean always) adresses a game to win wether they have to atack all game or counter atack. He expects the players to be as confident as he is, and takes's the best, psychologically, of them. If they lack the nerve constantly, they'll be dropped out.

- Tactically - In Porto every player knowned always what it was expected from him in the pitch. How exactly to atack, and who and how to defend. He's a controll freak as he is a workaholic, and even on pre-season friendly matches, every player got a full written report of the other teams tactics and individual abilities. This was so extense, that each player would know the direct oposite player most used driblle, strong points, weak points, etc, etc. Further we can say that each position in the field will have directives of how to play, and that he seeks that in no moment of the game one of his player doesn't know what he should do. This means that every aspect is studied and passed on to players, from indirect kicks, throws, to the exact number of atackers the team must have (3) when the other team has a corner, to start an imediat counter attack, as in normal play, tending the team to work clockwise, with or without the ball.
One example of how minutia he gets, is when he substitute's a player, changing the team's gameplay, he sents the player in with written message's for the key player at midfield telling him how to position. In the portuguese Superliga the tv cameras used to spent there time trying to zoom on the piece of paper with the message.

- Training - For what he brag's about, he is the nº 1 in the world, but also by the number of football students, that choose is training methods has a case study for post-graduations. As said before, training is integrated, no more running around the pitch for hours, or physical exercises without the ball. everything is methodically done together.

- The way he reads the game - Mourinho was invited to do the match coments in the Spain-Portugal, and all the country was astonished by his knowledge of the game, tactical nuances, etc, etc. He was so outstanding that days after the match people and the press were still talking about his performance and made us all feel that we didn't understand a thing about real football. The good thing is that the usual tv experts all got blushed with there own ignorance.


Mourinho is good in:

- Making the right subs - Although he reads the game well, at a number of times i was not that much convinced that he made the right subs. And that means something! it means he doesn't go for the popular subs, but for those he thinks will do the team well. Several and several times Porto was able to turn around a negative score, and many times with goals scored by the subs chosen by JM.

Mourinho is not that good in:

- Playing that all atacking football the fans love to see - and this means that you wil not have open games with a lot of goals, neither will you have the pitch full of creative players, only the necessary ones. Forget about 4-5 wins or defeats. As soon as Mourinho as 'his own team', the results will tend to be 1-0 or 2-0, for Chelsea.

- Launching young players - Mourinho only puts on the field the best players he has at the time, not looking at ages (although prefering young motivated players). This means that the 'young-star-to-be' will not play until JM thinks he's the best for that game, even though some gameplay would help him gain experience and fulfill his pottencial. This means, for example, that Joe Cole may have his chance, but that JM won't wait forever to see results.



The tactics: This is the juicy part!!

Where to start? hummmmmm...... by the defense, as JM always does!
Expect a zonal defence, using one strong mark CB and the other CB being free and pacey (Terry and Gallas?). Most of the times the defense will use off line tactics to stop teams with speedy forwards.
One thing JM is strong about is the heigth of the wingbacks: they have to be tall and able to help in central defense when needed (that's why Ibarra was shipped to Monaco on loan). This means that when oposite team is atacking down one flank, the defender of the oposite flank goes imediatly to the center to help defending. They also help on atack with quick combinations with the winger (Porto was great in that) but expect more runs with the ball when the team is playing in diamond formation, without wingers. Defensive compensations are made by the CD or by the DM if he is playing in 4-3-3 (actualy it is a 4-2-3-1) or by the two midfielders in the edge when he plays a diamond formation.

Midfield - I think you'll see various systems with the same dynamic of play. The 4-3-3 for the easier games and the home games, consisting of two wingers and a striker in atack, and a triangle in the midfield (this was the most famous tactic used by him in portugal for the superliga, not the diamond, that he only used in derby's and in the championsleague, because he had is wingers not available for the competition). The triangle consists of one DM who will have a very important role in the positioning of the team, he might help the central defenders if needed (if he is tall) or positioning the team to atack by defending high on the field. It is not important for JM that he has briliant technic, it is far more important that he is tactically inteligent in his actions. The other two players would be a midfielder who can both atack and defend well, with a good long range shoot and pass (like maniche) and the other would be the 10, to whom is given freedom, but also expected to help the team defend if needed.
In the Diamond formation (which is a 4-4-2 system without wingers) used only in matches against similar or superior teams, he will use two players who can both defend and atack, by the edge of the diamond, which may also explore the wings for atack. The low tip of the diamond is a DM and the atacking tip a nº 10 (9,5 like Platini), playing closer to the atackers and using the space in there back to atack in the middle or leaning to the wings in some of the atacking moves of the team.

Atack - Expect your forwards to be... defenders! Calm down! He is not Otto Rehagel and you'll not be fans of the english greek team. What i mean is that the most important aspect of the way JM plays with his teams is closing down on the opponent. He is obcessed by it, specialy on doing it on the other team half pitch, right in there defense, destroying the possibility of building any game, or even long balls to the atack, because our forwards will close down on each player who has the ball, increasing the mistakes made, and the passes missed. Expect many goals to be scored by some atacker stealing the ball to a defender. His closing down sistem is not defensive, by the oposite, it's atacking, because he do it high in the other team field (we call it in portugal 'high pressure' which would mean something like 'high closing down'). Atackers, midfielders, everyone but the CD will close down, and that's why many great teams that played against Porto, simply just didn't play a thing. The team will work as a block, all the sections close together, limiting the other teams space to play. You will see in many games, you're central defenders in the half pitch line.
The atacking system will consist of 2 wingers and a striker (if in 4-3-3) or a striker and a pacey forward with some positional freedom (if in Diamond). All of them are expected to help the team defending (by the Closing Down), but not to move backwards too much because JM likes to leave a threat in the atack when he is defending in his side of the pitch.

Overal Tactic-
With the ball - take the game into the other team half side, short pass, and envolvement movements in which all the players participate.
Without the ball - close down fast on the oponent, to take him the ball or make him miss his pass. Everyone helps defending, and the sectors work close to each other.

To keep in mind: JM for many ocasions argued that he preferes players who are not stars, or premadonas, but that are young (24-26) and never won a thing, so that he can motivate them to winning and not just settle for their past trophies. JM said once in Portugal that he could never be a coach in a team like R. Madrid because of the way players acted like stars, missing on training, or going out at night. Therefore don't expect someone like Ronaldo ever to come to Chelsea if JM is not sure that he is going to die on the field if needed.

I hope this is of some use for you Chelsea fans. I will also start to suport the team, and you're complex but exciting coach.
 
Another journo who reads BM?

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Speculation is mounting within football circles that Jose Mourinho will be offered the job at Manchester City if Roberto Mancini fails to finish in the top four this season.


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Jose Mourinho enjoyed great success at Chelsea
Owner Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan hired Mancini to replace Mark Hughes with a mandate to qualify for the Champions League, and City's momentum towards that target has slowed with the Italian's future now on the agenda after a disappointing goalless draw at home to Liverpool at the weekend.

Mancini's credibility as City's long-term manager will be tested in a match against Chelsea this weekend and in the run-in when the Italian is expected to deliver Champions League football after flirting, albeit temporarily, with a title tilt when starting his reign with three successive league wins.

If a top-four finish is not delivered then Mourinho could be an option. The former Chelsea manager looks set to win back-to-back Serie A titles with Inter Milan but has attracted controversy in Italy, and on Monday was handed a three-match ban for making a handcuffs gesture in a draw with Sampdoria at the weekend.

A source revealed: "If City fail to finish in the top four, then Roberto Mancini's chances of staying beyond this season would be seriously jeopardised. Before Mancini arrived, City looked very closely at appointing either Mourinho or Guus Hiddink.

"In fact, they came close to offering the job to both of them, but Hiddink wasn't keen on returning to club football and Mourinho's demands were massive because it wasn't quite the right time for him to leave Inter.

"Jose wants to come back to English football, and it could all change in the summer. The talk is that Mourinho could well be at City for next season if Mancini fails to get City into the Champions League.

"The feeling is that Mancini's deal at City is contingent on reaching the top four, and options to keep him come into play at the end of the season, or not to keep him, depending on where they finish up."

Coincidentally it was Mourinho who replaced Mancini at Inter Milan, and now the Portuguese has been earmarked as the No. 1 candidate to take over from the current City boss at Eastlands if he fails to deliver.

Mourinho faces his old club Chelsea in the last 16 of the Champions League on Wednesday and his future could be defined by the outcome of the conflict in Europe, as he was hired to win the competition when Mancini could not, despite the Italian claiming three successive Serie A titles.

Mourinho has made no secret of his desire to return to English football, and that could be hastened if Inter went out to Chelsea, although the testing time for such major managerial upheavals would be the summer.

His much-awaited return to the Premier League, though, is limited to only three clubs: Manchester United, Liverpool and Manchester City.

United would be Mourinho's first choice, but Sir Alex Ferguson shows no signs of retirement. Liverpool's only chance of replacing Rafa Benitez with a coach with a bigger reputation, like Mourinho, would hinge on wealthy new owners, and so far buying out the current Americans is proving virtually impossible.

That leaves Manchester City with the budget, and the growing reputation that could attract Mourinho.
 
Oh Tolmie what have you done.

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fbloke said:
Oh Tolmie what have you done.

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Can't argue with any of that. I didn't know he replaced Bellamy with Vieira at Stoke, I only saw the highlights. Jesus.
 

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