I Want de Jong Out of The Team Part II

[Damocles]

great op, well said.

Agreed

-- Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:02 pm --

I class world class as being on a level higher than everybody else. Messi and Ronaldo are both on a far greater level than anybody else in their position, people who redefine the game. De Jong however, isn't on a level far greater than anybody else. That isn't to say he's the best around, it's just to say that he isn't that far in front of anybody else.

Again, depends on your definition of world class.

Fair point it does. As such I think Bluemoon should ban further discussion of "world class" as there is no common agreement on what defines it, making a squabble over its use rather moot. But I still think it odd that the world contains no "world class" defenders or keepers. Odd.

But on my definition (World Squad Vs Mars), would you class him as World Class?

On your definition of World Class as a player who is the best in the world at his job, I don't think that there can be any doubt that De Jong is a World Class anchorman. I can't personally think of anybody who is better at that particular role in the world at the moment. In addition to Tevez in the false 9 role, he would be one of two world class players at City.

If it helps my definition at all, I suppose you could make a case on Schmeichel being the only truly World Class keeper in my memory as he was miles in front of the next best. Mattheus defensively too. Basically, pick your all time World XI and those players are world class; the players who have redefined the game in their time.

 

[BTH]

I've never been de Jong's biggest fan, but that was - without a doubt - his best game for City.

 

[toffee77]

Thought the three in the middle worked very well for you last night, however Liverpool had a very lightweight midfield and attack and got bossed in the middle. There will be games where De Jong, Barry and Toure won't work.

 

[pee dubya]

Thought the three in the middle worked very well for you last night, however Liverpool had a very lightweight midfield and attack and got bossed in the middle. There will be games where De Jong, Barry and Toure won't work.

I think the plan is to replace De Jong or Barry by moving Milner into the centre in certain matches, opening up an extra attacking slot for Balotelli/Silva/Ade. Should give a more attacking edge to the side should we need it. Either way one of the trademarks of Mancini's managerial style is the versatility of his players, he can switch between several different formations very easily in the middle of matches if he wants to change things, without having to use any subs.

 

[SWP's back]

Agreed

-- Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:02 pm --




Fair point it does. As such I think Bluemoon should ban further discussion of "world class" as there is no common agreement on what defines it, making a squabble over its use rather moot. But I still think it odd that the world contains no "world class" defenders or keepers. Odd.

But on my definition (World Squad Vs Mars), would you class him as World Class?

On your definition of World Class as a player who is the best in the world at his job, I don't think that there can be any doubt that De Jong is a World Class anchorman. I can't personally think of anybody who is better at that particular role in the world at the moment. In addition to Tevez in the false 9 role, he would be one of two world class players at City.

If it helps my definition at all, I suppose you could make a case on Schmeichel being the only truly World Class keeper in my memory as he was miles in front of the next best. Mattheus defensively too. Basically, pick your all time World XI and those players are world class; the players who have redefined the game in their time.

Again fair enough though it shows the disparity on fans definitions.

 

[Garry.Cook]

I disagree with your take on "world class". Most (and I would agree) would say that to be world class would be in the top 1 or 2 for your position in the world. Sort of like you would get in the World's squad if we had to play Mars.

You believe world class to be what? Great tricks and skills (if there are only two)??

Inwhich case are there no world class defenders or keepers?

I class world class as being on a level higher than everybody else. Messi and Ronaldo are both on a far greater level than anybody else in their position, people who redefine the game. De Jong however, isn't on a level far greater than anybody else. That isn't to say he's the best around, it's just to say that he isn't that far in front of anybody else.

Again, depends on your definition of world class.

If Mars come-a-knocking for a game, you're going have to reconsider your definition of 'world class' and you're going to look really stupid.

Sort it out while you still have chance Damocles ;)

 

[sqblue]

there is a real swagger starting to come into nige's game now. some of the passing he does in an orange shirt can be seen for city too now.

poor opposition tonight, but he breaking up of what little they tried to create was fantastic alongside old man pat (who had his best show in a city shirt).

 

[The Beast 111]

cocks

 

[Gelsons Dad]

I'm guessing he won't play on sunday having played all of the last 2 games. If so what formation do you think we will have?

I'm guessing diamond mid with Barry at the bottom.

 

[sqblue]

I'm guessing he won't play on sunday having played all of the last 2 games. If so what formation do you think we will have?

I'm guessing diamond mid with Barry at the bottom.

he didn't put that much into tonight, nobody in blue had to. it was walking pace for good bits of the 2nd half.