i wont be the only one on here who played with and against ex-pros, and those who were on the fringe. They all were tough, upper-body and arm-strength being far superior to us amateurs. I think it's what Paddy Vierra alludes to when he talks about "man-football". The old "a good big-un is better than a little-un" is long past it's sell-by date, though, when it comes to Pep-ball, witness our goals-for column.....No idea how to turn a slimbo like Phil into a tank like Kun, or if we should even try.