If Mancini is so bad

[Lancet Fluke]

Get rid of the players that don't respect Mancini. Many players have a problem with the manager. They win if Mancini get sacked. It's like giving ice cream to a screaming kid. And the players can just keep this going by turning their back on the manager if they don't like him. This is not good for morale. And it will give them the upper hand. Mancini is the boss here. No matter what.

Look at Sir Baconface. He fucked off Stam, Nistelrooy, Beckham even if they were big stars cause they had a dispute with him.

Tevez smiling goes off? How the fuck dare he after all he has done in the past? I dont give a fuck how hard he works. He should be hanging his fucking head in shame for the rest of his career for what he did to Mancini two years ago.

Tevez was not smiling i the sense he was happy - i think he was perplexed as too why him and not Aguero or others and he is right.

Tevez should have stayed on

Yes. He was pissed off and shocked. But that smile just indicated that there is no respect for the manager. This behaviour influence the rest of the team, the whole fucking press corps and the fans as well. No reason for that.

We still had 11 billionaries out there. They did fuck all for Mancini, the Machester City shirt AND THEIR FANS!

The problem for Mancini is that the job at City is largely one of motivating pampered multi-millionaire footballers and will be for the forseeable future. And by motivating, I mean motivating year after year and maintaining performance levels not just for a year or so. If the club do as you suggest and get rid of our highly talented, multi-millionaire footballers like Yaya, Silva, Aguero etc then who do we replace them with? The answer is Isco, Cavani and others. They will all be highly rated pampered, very wealthy players and Mancini will be faced with exactly the same problems. Some managers can motivate these type of players, it is possible. ferguson had to get rid of one player every now and again because of their attitude, at the moment Mancini looks like he has a whole raft of players all at the same time who aren't responding to him.

 

[hallstreetblue]

Here is the analogy I would use:
(From my experience the majority of the Inners are 40+ years old)

A guy, who hasn't had a girlfriend for 40 years, suddenly gets one. She is smoking hot and has sex with him all the time. However, this girl is a massive woman, she is a gold digger who spends a ridiculous amount of money. She constantly berates this guys friends and family and causes arguments for no reason. But this guy keeps with her because he has been so lonely for 40 years he can't bare the thought of returning to what he had before.

I (20) have had two season tickets (when they were cheaper) and the majority of guys at a game are over 40. They have the most disposable income and have also know the bad times.

As a younger guy who hasn't know the anguish, I can look at it objectively and remove emotion. Mancini is a good manager, he will go down as one of our greatest. However, he has many flaws. Klopp or Pellegrini can do an equal job with us in terms of silverware, whilst also providing the club with financial sustainability moving forward and whilst improving our playing style.

Remember, you might sing his name at a match, you might love him. But do the players love him? Nasri wouldn't even block a free kick for his manager. Under Mourinho any player would take a ball to the face with pride because they love him.

So we get rid of Mancini, bring in Mourinho/Pelligrini/Martinez (perm any 1 from 50 odd) and they win nothing? It's time for stability within our management team, as well as among our players. Let's build not demolish.

I may be old(er) but I do realise that everyone, whoever they may be, is not perfect. They strive, as Mancini is doing, for perfection but it never comes and (sorry for this) Rome wasn't built in a day!!

I agree that it is time for stability, however Mancini isn't the right man to back. We have stagnated this season, regressed from last season. It is not good enough. I don't care about the last 35 years. I care about the present, we need to aggressively seek to become the best team in England in every department.

Yes, but with all respect to you and Mancini, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that his days are numbered at our club. If the man ever had it, he's certainly lost it now. Although I don't expect us to win the league and Champions League every year, I'm with Bluephil8 on this.<br /><br />-- Sun May 12, 2013 11:28 am --<br /><br />

Tevez was not smiling i the sense he was happy - i think he was perplexed as too why him and not Aguero or others and he is right.

Tevez should have stayed on

Yes. He was pissed off and shocked. But that smile just indicated that there is no respect for the manager. This behaviour influence the rest of the team, the whole fucking press corps and the fans as well. No reason for that.

We still had 11 billionaries out there. They did fuck all for Mancini, the Machester City shirt AND THEIR FANS!

The problem for Mancini is that the job at City is largely one of motivating pampered multi-millionaire footballers and will be for the forseeable future. And by motivating, I mean motivating year after year and maintaining performance levels not just for a year or so. If the club do as you suggest and get rid of our highly talented, multi-millionaire footballers like Yaya, Silva, Aguero etc then who do we replace them with? The answer is Isco, Cavani and others. They will all be highly rated pampered, very wealthy players and Mancini will be faced with exactly the same problems. Some managers can motivate these type of players, it is possible. ferguson had to get rid of one player every now and again because of their attitude, at the moment Mancini looks like he has a whole raft of players all at the same time who aren't responding to him.

My point exactly.

 

[Thorpiemcfc]

Not posted on BM for a long while but en route back up from London now and can't shake the disappointment and annoyance that this whole season has brought, culminating in yesterday's loss...

Being 21 I can't honestly say I've suffered all that long with city, I started going in 99/00 and have had season tickets since so have seen us rise from d2 all the way up to where we are now, but have spent all year being frustrated at Mancini and his general approach to matches... We were the champions of England and still never go for teams...

Thinking back to the charity shield match, how good we're we?! I honestly thought we would push on and continue from the end of last year, but our main failing is not finishing teams off and not knowing how to change a match that isn't going our way. IMO this is all on Mancini, he can blame the board but he already has the squad that is better than most teams out there and a continued slow build up approach, along with a strange 3 at the back that's only used when we are already playing awful has just made city so poor to watch this year.

I do have a soft spot for Mancini and all the players that won us the league and cup, but still think a fair few other managers could have done the same or better with our current squad, so refuse to jump on the, 'we didn't win bout for years and Mancini won us all this'.

Anyway, well done to Wigan, fully deserved as they stuck to their own style of play and out did us in every department, fans and players alike, really hope they stay up and best of luck to them.

Here's hoping for some big changes come September, but we wouldn't be city without the massive ups of last season and the very disappointing lows of this season.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Because they are morons. Mancini has taken us to a certain level and we are extremely grateful. But now is the time to kick on

We will achieve nothing in European football without some genuine pace and width which Mancini refuses to apply to any of his team which is why he constantly fails in Europe. It's nothing to be ashamed of

so the vast majority of City fans are morons then? You absolute fucking tosspot<br /><br />-- Sun May 12, 2013 11:34 am --<br /><br />

Because they are morons. Mancini has taken us to a certain level and we are extremely grateful. But now is the time to kick on

We will achieve nothing in European football without some genuine pace and width which Mancini refuses to apply to any of his team which is why he constantly fails in Europe. It's nothing to be ashamed of

Do you ever say ANYTHING at all positive about the club.Mancini??All you do is lurk. Were you happy we got beaten yesterday? Just so you can fucking gloat. Get a grip man

-- Sun May 12, 2013 7:58 am --

Why was everyone repeatedly singing his name yesterday??

When the rumours were flying about before the game the majority of fans I spoke to were going nuts hence the 'you can stick your Pellegrini up.....'

If we want him we should back him and continue to back him. If we don't, we should let the club do what they are going to do. If not, are we not sending out mixed messages to the Chairman, board, etc. Not that they will listen but it is very odd how Bobby is getting slated in a number of threads and yet the fans who were at the game were singing his name for 90 minutes, or is that where the answer lies?

A show of loyalty from the fans ,and I'm still of the opinion he gets another season.
It is a bit of a shame he couldn't be loyal to Pantillimon though eh?

Yes good point and a fair point. Pants should have played 100%

I think Pants would have played had he not been gobbing off in the week about wanting to be at a different club - on that basis I think Mancini would have been wrong to play him

 

[Any1aBlue]

The problem is some of the players. They are rich and spoiled and they dislike Mancini.

I say: FUCK THE PLAYERS WHO DON'T RESPECT THE BOSS.

I want some of these players to suffer. Some of these young millionaries are SCUM. They did not show up yesterday. Fuck them

Keep Mancini so he can fuck some of these players right off to the transfer list.

Fcuking players can't beat fucking Wigan. Then they don't deserve fuck! And who the fuck blames Mancini for a fucking subsitutiion after 70 minutes when we still haden't manage to score against one of the worst team in the premiership?!?

RANT!

So which of the players from yesterday would you get Mancini to "fuck right off" because not many played well. You see this is the issue the club has. If it was one or two who weren't performing to their potential then you can single them out, get rid and replace. Unfortunately when it is the majority of the squad (and I do believe that the majority of our players have not performed to their potential this season) then surely you have to ask the questions why is that happening and who ultimately is responsible for large numbers of the playing squad underperforming. I refuse to believe that it is some bizarre coincidence that so many players have been so relatively poor this season by their own high standards.

Yes. There seems to be a huge dispute in the club at the moment with the players turning their back to Mancini.

Who I blame? I blame the fucking captain. Vincent Kompany. He is supposed to hold this team togheter. Be Mancinis right hand. He dont care.

And what about Yaya. I'm sick of his lazy face. His body language says it all. He is supposed to be the role model for the other ones out there. Yesterday was the FA Cup Final. He never showed up. And never gets any stick for it cause he is our 'best' player. NO HE IS NOT!

I let Mancini decide who is going to leave. Everyone who disrespect him should fuck off. Even if it means to buy a whole new team. But personally I would get rid of Yaya. Send the players a message.

The thing is. If the starting Manchester City eleven had the same heart as Wigan did yesterday we would have won 7-0. That's not Mancinis fault. He could have played fucking Samaras and it wouldnt have made a difference.

Yaya may have looked lazy (he did) but he was still our best player. As for Mancini's fault - leave it out, of course it was - who else would have started Nasri instead of Milner? I rest my case.
This failure was just a crescendo, summing up what has been coming for two seasons. Blinkered blues not seeing it last summer - overhyped, overrated, overpaid players not playing as a team. Disgruntled players not playing for a manager who has negativity at the forefront of everything he does. Self serving and arrogant - a mirror image of his teams performance yesterday.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Stop press : blue moon is not representative of the majority of match going fans. It is a place where polarised opinions take shape. If Mancini was not wanted then why do 40k fans sing his name each game

We have a group of very vocal outers on this site and fair play to their opinion but, we all have one and this site would be an utterly boring place if everyone agreed on everything !

Exactly right - why do people think there are so many c**** ring in to 5 live phone ins - such people are not representative of the average CITY fan

 

[@BluePhil8]

So which of the players from yesterday would you get Mancini to "fuck right off" because not many played well. You see this is the issue the club has. If it was one or two who weren't performing to their potential then you can single them out, get rid and replace. Unfortunately when it is the majority of the squad (and I do believe that the majority of our players have not performed to their potential this season) then surely you have to ask the questions why is that happening and who ultimately is responsible for large numbers of the playing squad underperforming. I refuse to believe that it is some bizarre coincidence that so many players have been so relatively poor this season by their own high standards.

Yes. There seems to be a huge dispute in the club at the moment with the players turning their back to Mancini.

Who I blame? I blame the fucking captain. Vincent Kompany. He is supposed to hold this team togheter. Be Mancinis right hand. He dont care.

And what about Yaya. I'm sick of his lazy face. His body language says it all. He is supposed to be the role model for the other ones out there. Yesterday was the FA Cup Final. He never showed up. And never gets any stick for it cause he is our 'best' player. NO HE IS NOT!

I let Mancini decide who is going to leave. Everyone who disrespect him should fuck off. Even if it means to buy a whole new team. But personally I would get rid of Yaya. Send the players a message.

The thing is. If the starting Manchester City eleven had the same heart as Wigan did yesterday we would have won 7-0. That's not Mancinis fault. He could have played fucking Samaras and it wouldnt have made a difference.

Yaya may have looked lazy (he did) but he was still our best player. As for Mancini's fault - leave it out, of course it was - who else would have started Nasri instead of Milner? I rest my case.
This failure was just a crescendo, summing up what has been coming for two seasons. Blinkered blues not seeing it last summer - overhyped, overrated, overpaid players not playing as a team. Disgruntled players not playing for a manager who has negativity at the forefront of everything he does. Self serving and arrogant - a mirror image of his teams performance yesterday.

Correct. I can't believe there is anyone left to defend him.

 

[Thorpiemcfc]

So which of the players from yesterday would you get Mancini to "fuck right off" because not many played well. You see this is the issue the club has. If it was one or two who weren't performing to their potential then you can single them out, get rid and replace. Unfortunately when it is the majority of the squad (and I do believe that the majority of our players have not performed to their potential this season) then surely you have to ask the questions why is that happening and who ultimately is responsible for large numbers of the playing squad underperforming. I refuse to believe that it is some bizarre coincidence that so many players have been so relatively poor this season by their own high standards.

Yes. There seems to be a huge dispute in the club at the moment with the players turning their back to Mancini.

Who I blame? I blame the fucking captain. Vincent Kompany. He is supposed to hold this team togheter. Be Mancinis right hand. He dont care.

And what about Yaya. I'm sick of his lazy face. His body language says it all. He is supposed to be the role model for the other ones out there. Yesterday was the FA Cup Final. He never showed up. And never gets any stick for it cause he is our 'best' player. NO HE IS NOT!

I let Mancini decide who is going to leave. Everyone who disrespect him should fuck off. Even if it means to buy a whole new team. But personally I would get rid of Yaya. Send the players a message.

The thing is. If the starting Manchester City eleven had the same heart as Wigan did yesterday we would have won 7-0. That's not Mancinis fault. He could have played fucking Samaras and it wouldnt have made a difference.

Yaya may have looked lazy (he did) but he was still our best player. As for Mancini's fault - leave it out, of course it was - who else would have started Nasri instead of Milner? I rest my case.
This failure was just a crescendo, summing up what has been coming for two seasons. Blinkered blues not seeing it last summer - overhyped, overrated, overpaid players not playing as a team. Disgruntled players not playing for a manager who has negativity at the forefront of everything he does. Self serving and arrogant - a mirror image of his teams performance yesterday.

Agree with the above, apart from Yaya, he has only played well this season in the odd games, not nearly enough to warrant starting every week.

It speaks volumes of city's season that defenders have been by far our best players in Nastasic, Zaba, even Kolo had more good games than bad this year in Vinnys absence, that said Lescott should of been given far more chances after him being so solid last year, yet another showing of Mancini causing rifts with players for no apparent reason.

 

[tmg]

Yaya may have looked lazy (he did) but he was still our best player. As for Mancini's fault - leave it out, of course it was - who else would have started Nasri instead of Milner? I rest my case.
This failure was just a crescendo, summing up what has been coming for two seasons. Blinkered blues not seeing it last summer - overhyped, overrated, overpaid players not playing as a team. Disgruntled players not playing for a manager who has negativity at the forefront of everything he does. Self serving and arrogant - a mirror image of his teams performance yesterday.[/quote]


Yaya was not our best player He was dreadful. One of the worst ever performances from him
He made none of his normal thrusting runs, his passing was terrible, tackling poor, very very slow at getting back. Just didn't seem interested

 

[pominoz]

55 married, 3 kids 11,16 & 21 - I am now reluctantly a 100% outer.

I have had misgivings about Mancini stretching back well into last season but I have now seen enough to believe he must go.

His tactics and management is turning our top class players into donkeys. It must not be allowed to continue. What's the point of buying more top class players only to have Mancini neuter them. Take Kun as an example - when we bought him he was rated as one of the top strikers in the world and he started with us like the star he is but gradually he has become a shadow of his former self. If it was just one player then maybe you could say the player is to blame but there are too many players that this applies to. Silva, Nasri, Dzeko, Tevez & Yaya for starters. Yes we see flashes of the top player trying to get out but largely they are performing way below their top level.

It's Mancini's job to get the best out of these players and he's not doing it. Christ he couldn't even do it with his protege who is now excelling at Milan.

Sadly i agree with you, i say sadly, because of what Bobby has done for us.

The way we played at the beginning of last season was wonderful, (i know we cannot play like that every game), but now it is boring watching very talented players pass it sideways or backwards for most of the game.

When he actually lets the players play, we are unbeatable but it seems to be happening less and less.
Time for a change, i think. :(