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If there were to move the away fans
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Didsbury Dave
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pedigreeblue said:Why can't the away fans stay where they are and just move our singing section behind the opposite goal, i know you all like the banter and like to be close to the away fans, but wouldn't you rather have your own end where you can pack en mass and try and raise the roof. Or is it going to be a case that they move the away fans and everyone wants to follow them so they can continue the banter. This is certainly the easiest way to do it, and logistically easily workable. It works at most of the big clubs, think the kop, stretford end, etc...
It wouldn't work because you can't just decree one end as a "singing end" and hope that 6000 people will immediately relocate. In fact make that 12000 if you include the ones making way.
the migration of our vocal support to the South End of the ground has happened naturally (apart from the club declaring 111 a signing section) and gradually.
lancs blue
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Didsbury Dave said:Colins Bellend said:Away from the view of TV cameras
Why the hell does that matter?
I don't get this obsession either, the next thing is they'll be wanting to ban away fans altogether and destroy the atmosphere totally. I'd rather have the away fans "visible" rather than tucked away out of sight. I don't like it when I go away and end up in that situation.
If City fans want "an end" then put the away fans on Level 2 South if it can hold 3,000 - with the first two rows empty. That leaves all Level 1 South for the singing section.
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At the minute we have.
["Singing Section"] - [Away Fans] - [South Stand Singers]
The best thing to do would be this
[Away Fans] - ["Singing Section"] - [South Stand Singers]
It's simple really and fits all sides of the argument.
Those who want a full designated end full of singing blues.
Those who still want to be next to the away fans for the so called "banter"
and City who can still have the away fans next to the Car and Coach parks.
All can be solved by just a minor arrangement in the seating plan by swapping them over. Sure there will need to be a few minor alterations but it's not like we don't have the money to fix these is there?
It's good that the club are looking at ways to do this, lets hope they can as we all want Eastlands to be the best possible matchday experience for all of us and i beleive having one full end of city fans singing just like at Wigan, Blackburn and Bolton ect can make a huge difference to the atmosphere at Eastlands.
["Singing Section"] - [Away Fans] - [South Stand Singers]
The best thing to do would be this
[Away Fans] - ["Singing Section"] - [South Stand Singers]
It's simple really and fits all sides of the argument.
Those who want a full designated end full of singing blues.
Those who still want to be next to the away fans for the so called "banter"
and City who can still have the away fans next to the Car and Coach parks.
All can be solved by just a minor arrangement in the seating plan by swapping them over. Sure there will need to be a few minor alterations but it's not like we don't have the money to fix these is there?
It's good that the club are looking at ways to do this, lets hope they can as we all want Eastlands to be the best possible matchday experience for all of us and i beleive having one full end of city fans singing just like at Wigan, Blackburn and Bolton ect can make a huge difference to the atmosphere at Eastlands.
pepsi_dave
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Can someone please please please explain to me what the big deal is with where the away fans are at the moment?? There is sod all difference between their location now and their location at Maine Road........ They were in North Stand between the home fans (who went round the corner to the Main Stand) and The Gene Kelly/Kippax. The away fans at COMS are in the South Stand between the home fans (who go round the corner to Colin Bell Stand, which is the Main Stand) and the East Stand, which, is/was the kippax.
There are two main problems IMO opinion...... the fans that don't sing (pretty fecking big part of the problem IMO), and the fact that where there used to be one tier at Maine Road, eg, the North Stand, Platt Lane, Main Stand and Kippax Lower, there is now two, and in some cases 3 tiers. Which is why you see blocks 116 and 117 standing, but 216 and 217 sitting... imagine if that was all one tier, and all those people that are sittng, were standing and getting involved with the singing. How much more of a difference would that make? I'm pretty sure it will have a pretty big impact.
Honestly, at times, I think I'm the only person who sees it like this..... but moving the away fans will not resolve the issue.... I know a fair few people who chose to move to either the singing section or 116/7 so that they could be near to the away fans, and get involved with chanting/singing and general abuse. If the away fans are moved, after a while we'll be back to the same situation... banks of fans on both sides singing out of time with each other, or singing different songs completely, and guess what, there'll be another campaign to move the away fans. Either people start singing, or we need a massive redesign of the stadium...... which I doubt will happen. But mark my words, moving the away fans WILL NOT resolve the problem!!!!
There are two main problems IMO opinion...... the fans that don't sing (pretty fecking big part of the problem IMO), and the fact that where there used to be one tier at Maine Road, eg, the North Stand, Platt Lane, Main Stand and Kippax Lower, there is now two, and in some cases 3 tiers. Which is why you see blocks 116 and 117 standing, but 216 and 217 sitting... imagine if that was all one tier, and all those people that are sittng, were standing and getting involved with the singing. How much more of a difference would that make? I'm pretty sure it will have a pretty big impact.
Honestly, at times, I think I'm the only person who sees it like this..... but moving the away fans will not resolve the issue.... I know a fair few people who chose to move to either the singing section or 116/7 so that they could be near to the away fans, and get involved with chanting/singing and general abuse. If the away fans are moved, after a while we'll be back to the same situation... banks of fans on both sides singing out of time with each other, or singing different songs completely, and guess what, there'll be another campaign to move the away fans. Either people start singing, or we need a massive redesign of the stadium...... which I doubt will happen. But mark my words, moving the away fans WILL NOT resolve the problem!!!!
pepsi_dave
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Immaculate Pasta said:At the minute we have.
["Singing Section"] - [Away Fans] - [South Stand Singers]
It was the Same at Maine Road
[Kippax] - [Away Fans] - [North Stand Singers]
What's your point?
liamctid
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Didsbury Dave said:Liam
you are so wrong about this.
Your North Stand idea will not work. What you have to realise is that a different type of Blue goes into each stand. A lot of this is the inheritance from when we relocated from Maine Road. The West Stand is all the old men from the old main stand sit, for example. The North Stand seems mainly families to me.
the vast majority of our vociferous support sit down at the South Stand end.
However, when their is an opportune moment for singing a song, either both of our signing ends start one up at once, or one of our singing ends and the away fans start together.
Either way, the rest of the ground will mainly just join in with sings being sung, if they are loud enough. They don't do it when two songs are started at once.
The North Stand is pretty much the Family stand. Leave it like that. 3 singing sections would make things worse. I know why you are saying this - because of the rare occasion the North Stand starts a song the rest of the ground sometimes joins in. That's mainly because both of our singing areas hear it at once and both start it independantly.
Well don't you think we should try and change the make up of the ground then? The family stand is only the second tier, you don't get all the kids in the bottom tier.
I'm trying to suggest something positive for the club which is also an easy solution in my opinion. Yet your the guy who claimed a few weeks ago that you hated the 'defeatist' young City fan, and basically your saying that we should stay in our boring flat stadium ways because its the way the club is?!
So what if there is 3 different songs going on in different parts of the ground? I'd rather hear 'We're not Istanbul Moon' than here the deftly silence with a bit of 'who's the faggot in the pink' thrown in! At the appropriate time we'd all join in at once.
And if it doesn't work, then it doesn't work, its not gonna be as dangerous as moving all the away fans or moving 12000 people as you've mentioned. Just 50 or so vocal PRO-CITY fans.
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Pepsidave
Maine Road was smaller, more compact and didn't have tiers.
That's the difference. If the North Stand started a song it bounced off the roof and could be heard by all stands.
These days you can sometimes see groups singing from the opposite end of the ground but can hardly hear them, if at all. 111 and South Stand can barely hear each other due to the shape and size of the ground.
Maine Road was smaller, more compact and didn't have tiers.
That's the difference. If the North Stand started a song it bounced off the roof and could be heard by all stands.
These days you can sometimes see groups singing from the opposite end of the ground but can hardly hear them, if at all. 111 and South Stand can barely hear each other due to the shape and size of the ground.
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Liam
I don't know what you're on about with reference to defeatist young fans.
But I'm happy to agree to disagree about the best solution. It's a forum, that's what its for.
I don't know what you're on about with reference to defeatist young fans.
But I'm happy to agree to disagree about the best solution. It's a forum, that's what its for.
liamctid
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Didsbury Dave said:Liam
I don't know what you're on about with reference to defeatist young fans.
But I'm happy to agree to disagree about the best solution. It's a forum, that's what its for.
Obviously mate! Its all a discussion! I swear after the West Ham game the other week you said that you couldn't stand the 'defeatist' views of young City fans - like myself - I wanna see City do well of course, but to see us losing to Stoke away is exactly whats great about being a City fan - you just keep going back for more! But you seem to want to keep things how they are within the ground? Which IMO is just as bad (from a fans P.O.V.) as saying that you take joy in City not going anywhere (Ok, maybe not... but always good to exaggerate!)
So Dave, what would you do about it? Or would you sack the football off and go for a few in the Royal Oak in Didsbury?!