If we win FA cup would you keep Mancini?

[Labatt Blue]

You not responding to my posts then?

Picking and choosing stuff now, I suppose when I exit thread you won? Haha.

I'm waiting to be put right by the way. After all I'm the worst on these boards as you said.

Nip, you really are looking like a precious little shit in this thread

I know..you post more than me!

So being called a hypocrite and the worse on the forum is meant to fly over my head, especially when the insults come off a clueless individual who evades challenges and only posts when he believes he can 'win' rather than thrash it out. He's scared of being made to look a fool so stops replying.

So to conclude I'm meant to shut up and take insults off an idiot because some done like my posts, that's ridiculous.

He asked me whether I thought Wenger was better. I then replied a concise number of posts outlining my basis for opinion. I also mentioned why I'd like him here and that he's behind Jose and Klopp in my view. I've also given a solid reason for why Arsenal are underachieving.

Yet I'm a twat, all because I don't post 2 liners saying Forza Mancini. Fuck Jose Mancini is best, he won us two trophies (Ancelotti equalled that in a season and also got passed group stages in Europe btw).

I love City. Not any player or manager, they come and go but City remain. I want the best, from.boot polisher to board level staff. Our manager isn't the best, hence my argument.

We all love City and want the best for them..that's why we are here
As for Wenger..I used to think he was the best around but not so sure anymore.
If Mancini was to go I wouldn't want him to replace him, he doesn't seem hungry enough anymore

 

[Marvin]

Nip, you really are looking like a precious little shit in this thread

I know..you post more than me!

So being called a hypocrite and the worse on the forum is meant to fly over my head, especially when the insults come off a clueless individual who evades challenges and only posts when he believes he can 'win' rather than thrash it out. He's scared of being made to look a fool so stops replying.

So to conclude I'm meant to shut up and take insults off an idiot because some done like my posts, that's ridiculous.

He asked me whether I thought Wenger was better. I then replied a concise number of posts outlining my basis for opinion. I also mentioned why I'd like him here and that he's behind Jose and Klopp in my view. I've also given a solid reason for why Arsenal are underachieving.

Yet I'm a twat, all because I don't post 2 liners saying Forza Mancini. Fuck Jose Mancini is best, he won us two trophies (Ancelotti equalled that in a season and also got passed group stages in Europe btw).

I love City. Not any player or manager, they come and go but City remain. I want the best, from.boot polisher to board level staff. Our manager isn't the best, hence my argument.

We all love City and want the best for them..that's why we are here
As for Wenger..I used to think he was the best around but not so sure anymore.
If Mancini was to go I wouldn't want him to replace him, he doesn't seem hungry enough anymore

I used to like Wenger too. Hiding behind the excuse of £££ and Chelsea and MCFC. AFC had it all set-up and it didn't need Millions, just judicious tinkering and 1-2 additions per Summer.

 

[levets]

Matchday is a good time to hear the general feeling towards Mancini as his name is generally sung at least 6/7 times during the game. Those that want him out are very few in reality

Not sure singing is a great barometer. I heard dozens of conversations about him at the weekend and a percentage are in the 'get rid regardless' camp, a percentage are in the 'keep regardless' camp and the majority are In the 'whatever will be will be camp'. What unites all of these camps is that almost everybody would welcome mourinho should he come.

Whatever happens I don't envisage protests outside the main entrance this summer.

Whatever happens I don't envisage protests outside the main entrance this summer.
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And doesn't that say more about us rather than the manager...
We (not me)protested for Sven FFS!!!! But nobody will give a fuck about Mancini? Really?

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Hope we are all friends still.

Amazingly enough,it's gone all acrimonious without your steady hand on the rudder mate.
I told you the fragile ceasefire wouldn't last.
We didn't even get that 'Outers versus Inners' football match after all.
I blame NATO,or Hillary Clinton.

Well wenger is the next best thing now anyway
So thats another 200 page discussion

I'm eagerly awaiting 'Alan Ball and Frank Clark - Misunderstood Geniuses,Or Simply Crap?'

 

[Anonymous]

Over Mancini, everyday. Ask Tolmie and Prestwich who they'd prefer.

Don't think there's a football person on earth who would take Mancini over Wenger in the management stakes.

I don't think it's nearly as clear cut between Mancini and Wenger as some of you are suggesting. All this owners not giving him money crap is masking the fact that after the Invincibles he often had very good teams that simply under performed, or shown too much sentimentality towards sub par players when he should have been more ruthless and moved them on. Not resting Cesc for the game before the CC final (against Stoke iirc) when it was pretty much a nothing game, him getting predictably injured, then screwing up the final to Birmingham.. Best chance to get the trophy monkey off his back and he messed it up. We're always reminded how we need to strive for stability because it will bring us success, yet Arsenal are about as stable as can be and they're still falling regularly short.

For all his flaws, he's still light years ahead of Mancini IMO.

I'll put it another way, had Wenger taken over three years ago when City were desperate for him to, I don't think we'd have less trophies than we do now, and I certainly don't think we'd have been as shit in Europe. All in my opinion of course. Was very faecitious of me to say that there isn't a football person on earth who'd take Mancini over Wenger, and I apologise as it doesn't help any discussion.

 

[moomba]

I wonder if Wenger would insist on doing things "the right way" if he was manager at Man City. He's been pretty insistent that what we are doing is wrong, so I couldn't see him coming here and buying the likes of Aguero, Silva, Yaya etc.

 

[inchy14]

TCM - Do you think Mancini is a better manager than Wenger.

No messing about, no further comments, just a simple yes or no answer....

Over the last 3 seasons yes..
The arsenal fans are saying he has completely lost it,the mistakes he is making are horrendous
Do you think they are making it up?

Over 3 seasons he's lost RVP, Fabregas, Nasri, Clichy and Song. How the fuck was he meant to win a league without them without spending the proceeds from their sales?

He shouldn't have fucking sold them then, he should have certainly not let them enter the last year of their contracts and having his hand forced.

If he wanted Arsenal to be successfull he would have kept them and probably won a trophy or 2.

And please don't talk about their wage stucture, he is rumoured to be earning 7million a season.

He's a stubborn fool who has bought as much if not more dross than any other of the big 4(TM).

 

[Labatt Blue]

Don't think there's a football person on earth who would take Mancini over Wenger in the management stakes.

I don't think it's nearly as clear cut between Mancini and Wenger as some of you are suggesting. All this owners not giving him money crap is masking the fact that after the Invincibles he often had very good teams that simply under performed, or shown too much sentimentality towards sub par players when he should have been more ruthless and moved them on. Not resting Cesc for the game before the CC final (against Stoke iirc) when it was pretty much a nothing game, him getting predictably injured, then screwing up the final to Birmingham.. Best chance to get the trophy monkey off his back and he messed it up. We're always reminded how we need to strive for stability because it will bring us success, yet Arsenal are about as stable as can be and they're still falling regularly short.

For all his flaws, he's still light years ahead of Mancini IMO.

I'll put it another way, had Wenger taken over three years ago when City were desperate for him to, I don't think we'd have less trophies than we do now, and I certainly don't think we'd have been as shit in Europe. All in my opinion of course. Was very faecitious of me to say that there isn't a football person on earth who'd take Mancini over Wenger, and I apologise as it doesn't help any discussion.

Freudian slip Billy?people talking faeces on here again !

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

What no-one on here can argue with is the facts. Mancini's record ar Inter is hardly bad and he's brought home the bacon here. Mourinho did well at Chelsea from a much better starting position, but at Inter his record in his first 11 CL matches was won one... Hiddink is a good manager, but neither i nor anyone else knpws what he would have done at City. Mancini came and did it. Apparently Mourinho is on his way out at Madrid, having won one title, but "losing" it again and not yey having delivered the CL. He didn't win the CL at Chelsea.

Those who go on about Ferguson and Wenger really want their bumps examining. Ferguson has been in situ at the swamp since October 1986 and Wenger arrived at Highbury in 1997. So, exactly when do you want to judge them? Let's start with slur. Between 1986 and 1993 he spent twice as much as Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton and Spurs (the next four biggest spenders) put together on players. And he won one FA cup. He won the CL at his sixth attempt. He has won it once more in the 14 years since. Mancini has a fair way to go before we compare him adversely to Ferguson.

Wenger inherited a strong team which had won the FA and League cups in 1993 and the Cup Winners cup in 1994 when it had finished fourth in the league but George graham was then sacked and disgraced and the club performed poorly under Rioch finishing twelfth. This was despite massive investment inthe playing squad made possible by shareholder investment. This investment continued after Wenger's arrival and enabled him to bring in "big names" from the continent. Wenger has never had to take a team from City's lowly position to trophies. His record is impressive but he has not built a trophy winning team since 2005, and his indebtedness to hiss predecessor for the trophies he did win (in particular his back four) must be borne in mind.

Mancini is well on course with City and it will be interesting to see what he can achieve with the length of tenure and support given to Ferguson and Wenger.

 

[NipHolmes]

Over the last 3 seasons yes..
The arsenal fans are saying he has completely lost it,the mistakes he is making are horrendous
Do you think they are making it up?

Over 3 seasons he's lost RVP, Fabregas, Nasri, Clichy and Song. How the fuck was he meant to win a league without them without spending the proceeds from their sales?

He shouldn't have fucking sold them then, he should have certainly not let them enter the last year of their contracts and having his hand forced.

If he wanted Arsenal to be successfull he would have kept them and probably won a trophy or 2.

And please don't talk about their wage stucture, he is rumoured to be earning 7million a season.

He's a stubborn fool who has bought as much if not more dross than any other of the big 4(TM).

He'd have no choice.

He hides behind the £££ argument because fans can relate to it. They blame us for everything they do wrong as a club. How could Wenger stand up and say 'we charge you more for a season ticker than both City and United do, they win stuff and we dont, like it or lump it'. Instead they use a distraction in the form of sugar daddies, they blame us for their failings which is bollocks. They sold players by will not by gunpoint.

Their wage system has caused many a problems and will continue to do so. They pay Arshavin 80k pw and only paid RVP 90k.

Don't get me wrong, I believe he wants to succeed but the question is what's the target?
Imo the target is to 'compete' for CL places and tread water till the stadium is paid for. Be in and around top places until the stadium is paid for and then they can go again.

He's paid 7m because he does a job well done that's why. He gets flack from fans and pundits amd hos reputation is tarnished. The thing is he's doing what's been asked of him else the p45 would've been handed out a few seasons ago let alone now.

The reason FFP is being so forcefully proposed is because the likes of Arsenal want to make.money and compete anf City and Chelsea make it hard for the likes if Spurs and Arsenal to get away with it.

Why can't people see this? I'm not Einstein.