Labatt Blue said:We all love City and want the best for them..that's why we are hereNipHolmes said:Labatt Blue said:Nip, you really are looking like a precious little shit in this thread
I know..you post more than me!
So being called a hypocrite and the worse on the forum is meant to fly over my head, especially when the insults come off a clueless individual who evades challenges and only posts when he believes he can 'win' rather than thrash it out. He's scared of being made to look a fool so stops replying.
So to conclude I'm meant to shut up and take insults off an idiot because some done like my posts, that's ridiculous.
He asked me whether I thought Wenger was better. I then replied a concise number of posts outlining my basis for opinion. I also mentioned why I'd like him here and that he's behind Jose and Klopp in my view. I've also given a solid reason for why Arsenal are underachieving.
Yet I'm a twat, all because I don't post 2 liners saying Forza Mancini. Fuck Jose Mancini is best, he won us two trophies (Ancelotti equalled that in a season and also got passed group stages in Europe btw).
I love City. Not any player or manager, they come and go but City remain. I want the best, from.boot polisher to board level staff. Our manager isn't the best, hence my argument.
As for Wenger..I used to think he was the best around but not so sure anymore.
If Mancini was to go I wouldn't want him to replace him, he doesn't seem hungry enough anymore
NipHolmes said:inchy14 said:NipHolmes said:Over 3 seasons he's lost RVP, Fabregas, Nasri, Clichy and Song. How the fuck was he meant to win a league without them without spending the proceeds from their sales?
He shouldn't have fucking sold them then, he should have certainly not let them enter the last year of their contracts and having his hand forced.
If he wanted Arsenal to be successfull he would have kept them and probably won a trophy or 2.
And please don't talk about their wage stucture, he is rumoured to be earning 7million a season.
He's a stubborn fool who has bought as much if not more dross than any other of the big 4(TM).
He'd have no choice.
He hides behind the £££ argument because fans can relate to it. They blame us for everything they do wrong as a club. How could Wenger stand up and say 'we charge you more for a season ticker than both City and United do, they win stuff and we dont, like it or lump it'. Instead they use a distraction in the form of sugar daddies, they blame us for their failings which is bollocks. They sold players by will not by gunpoint.
Their wage system has caused many a problems and will continue to do so. They pay Arshavin 80k pw and only paid RVP 90k.
Don't get me wrong, I believe he wants to succeed but the question is what's the target?
Imo the target is to 'compete' for CL places and tread water till the stadium is paid for. Be in and around top places until the stadium is paid for and then they can go again.
He's paid 7m because he does a job well done that's why. He gets flack from fans and pundits amd hos reputation is tarnished. The thing is he's doing what's been asked of him else the p45 would've been handed out a few seasons ago let alone now.
The reason FFP is being so forcefully proposed is because the likes of Arsenal want to make.money and compete anf City and Chelsea make it hard for the likes if Spurs and Arsenal to get away with it.
Why can't people see this? I'm not Einstein.
Of course.BoyBlue_1985 said:So does that mean the Super Cup and World club cup are fake as well?
Labatt Blue said:Do you feel better now?Zickler said:1. Well based on the reaction on here i suggest we keep him. not because i feel it's the correct decision however, I hope we keep and give him all the players and money he wants, not just this summer but every transfer window from today onwards.
2. Because we need to buy top top quality players who will take our club to next level like De Rossi, RVP, Falcao, Cavani, Isco, Osvaldo, Nasri, Maicon, Garcia, Balo, Kun, Dzeko, Yaya, Silva who all demand top top wages we can scrap any plans of meeting FFP standards because UEFA will not really kick us out of europe really would they.
3. He has won the club 3 trophies and in return he deserves to be given total control of the club and he is never again to be questioned or have a transfer target not purchased.
4. If anyone ever tries to tell him that has to look at the youth players during injuries they should be fired from the club because not one of our youth players are good enough, not even to cover on an emergency.
5. Our club was nothing but a failure until he took over. remember we had never won anything and had no history until he came and made us so called great. not one manager who managed the club previously had ever done anything worth mentioning in his presence.
6. When he is on the touchline shout 'F**K you F**K you' to the players on the pitch when they get a pass wrong that during his playing days he could make without even looking it's simply because he is Italian and it's in his nature.
7. No player is ever to speak about the flaws of the team during post match interviews because they know nothing. they won nothing until he came here, so how dare they ever express concerns or give an honest opinion on the match.
8. Only He as the manager who has won the club trophies and has given us a history can dis-respect club officials (Marwood, wheter we like him or not) who he deems have not been doing their job in public. What a good example he sets to our players and his backroom of staff to follow(but wait, sorry it's ok his Italian it's in his nature).
9. If you think after 2 attempts at the champions league a club like ours can be expected to win matches in that competition and show progress you are crazy and know nothing about football(but Napoli can make a shot of it. Juve after years of regaining their credit to italian football with players that are not better than ours can).
10. If you think Europa Cup is a competition that a club like ours should even hope to make the 1/8 finals after a dodgy champions league attempt you are crazy it's not possible. the team needs to learn to play european football because they don't know this level.
11. but all that said he has achieved good things for this club and the party line is that you must not even question his future because you will be called a RAG. this hurst me to say but they are where they are because they do not and will put up with crap. if they buy shit players guess what they get rid ASAP. if Fergie doesn't have a team good enough to chanllenge he will talk them up and make them believe they are good enough and at least put up a fight until the end. He never ever washes the dirty clothes in public. whether he like David Gill or not he backs him 100% in public. their players know that not one of them is bigger than MAN UTD. That is what wee need here at our club to tell the manager and the players that they work for MAN CITY not us working for them. so our club comes first.
Call me RAG all you like but I have had enough and it's time to blowso i have. I'm sorry for going this far but RM has really flicked my switch.
tolmie's hairdoo said:Nope.
Progressing past Championship teams only masks our shortcomings.
I actually believe it would be a fitting send off, though, for both Mancini and the club to win it.
inchy14 said:NipHolmes said:inchy14 said:He shouldn't have fucking sold them then, he should have certainly not let them enter the last year of their contracts and having his hand forced.
If he wanted Arsenal to be successfull he would have kept them and probably won a trophy or 2.
And please don't talk about their wage stucture, he is rumoured to be earning 7million a season.
He's a stubborn fool who has bought as much if not more dross than any other of the big 4(TM).
He'd have no choice.
He hides behind the £££ argument because fans can relate to it. They blame us for everything they do wrong as a club. How could Wenger stand up and say 'we charge you more for a season ticker than both City and United do, they win stuff and we dont, like it or lump it'. Instead they use a distraction in the form of sugar daddies, they blame us for their failings which is bollocks. They sold players by will not by gunpoint.
Their wage system has caused many a problems and will continue to do so. They pay Arshavin 80k pw and only paid RVP 90k.
Don't get me wrong, I believe he wants to succeed but the question is what's the target?
Imo the target is to 'compete' for CL places and tread water till the stadium is paid for. Be in and around top places until the stadium is paid for and then they can go again.
He's paid 7m because he does a job well done that's why. He gets flack from fans and pundits amd hos reputation is tarnished. The thing is he's doing what's been asked of him else the p45 would've been handed out a few seasons ago let alone now.
The reason FFP is being so forcefully proposed is because the likes of Arsenal want to make.money and compete anf City and Chelsea make it hard for the likes if Spurs and Arsenal to get away with it.
Why can't people see this? I'm not Einstein.
So your arguement is he doesn't want to win things yet?
He could force the boards hand if he so wished but for some reason wont, and you failed to answer his buying policy.
As said above your post, he was able to build on a solid back 4 and excellent keeper already there, and while i'll admit he pioneered the scientific model over here, once others did it he was found out.
Apart from Wilshire i can't think of a single youth player that has come throught their academy who is a top class act, he buys average mediocre players the majority of the time.
wireblue said:tolmie's hairdoo said:Nope.
Progressing past Championship teams only masks our shortcomings.
I actually believe it would be a fitting send off, though, for both Mancini and the club to win it.
But we didn't win the FA cup yesterday. The question was if we win the FA cup, not if we beat leeds.
Winning the FA cup (if we do it) is not something that would "mask our shortcomings", it would be an achievement of considerable measure.
We won't win the league every season, that's just the nature of sport. But a second placed finish and FA cup is as good as it gets domestically other than actually winning the league.
It then just comes down to how you want to see and grade the achievements of mancini.
Personally, I don't consider it a sackable offence to only win two FA cups and a league championship in three years. Clearly you do, which is fine. Each to their own as they say.