Lol, clearly you don't know Neville then. He is full of red herrings and strawman arguments.First of all you have to consider that what I said about Gundogan is for when there’s no Dinho, which is why I said Gundogan will be fine defensively. I wasn’t saying we play Gundogan over Dinho full time.
Of course Dinho offers a better defensive presence than Gundogan but Gundogan offers a much better option when attacking. You can’t compare Dinho’s and Gundogan’s pass percentage as Gundogan has many more vertical passes than Dinho, this is a fact.
I wasn’t saying we won’t get counter attacked at all with Gundogan, that’s just stupid. But we will get counter attacked less than when Dinho is playing. But the % of us stopping the counter attack will be slightly lower with Gundogan for sure. Dinho still has trouble passing when being pressed, Gundogan is much better than him.
Lol I give people the benefit of the doubt.Lol, clearly you don't know Neville then. He is full of red herrings and strawman arguments.
I mean the guy asked s pointed question a few pages back. Who'd lose more game time if Fred arrived. To which I answered Fernandihno. Seeing as it seems Fred is being brought in to play DM.
His response: Are you saying Gundogan will be picked ahead of Fernandihno?... Huh?
It's hard discussing with Neville sometimes :)
I think we've been spoilt with Fernandinho. Especially as you point out, aerially. I think having someone that good at filling in the lines on the floor and in the air is rare. Especially when you combine it with his pace, athletic ability and his decent attacking game. He really has become the real deal, the total package in that role.
I think we'll be very lucky to uncover another like him. I think Fred will provide the energy Fernandinho does. Hopefully a little more considering age.
Gundogan is slightly better in possession and at his pomp had a great burst of speed through the middle.
I watch a shit loads of football, I can't think of a suitable replacement or even close to similar replacement to Fernandinho.
I noticed Fred vs us, thought he was great. Perhaps Alaba, Savic.
But I can't think of another holding player that rolls pace, power, intelligence, aerial ability, game smarts, passing and energy like Fernandinho does.
I think we've been spoilt with Fernandinho. Especially as you point out, aerially. I think having someone that good at filling in the lines on the floor and in the air is rare. Especially when you combine it with his pace, athletic ability and his decent attacking game. He really has become the real deal, the total package in that role.
I think we'll be very lucky to uncover another like him. I think Fred will provide the energy Fernandinho does. Hopefully a little more considering age.
Gundogan is slightly better in possession and at his pomp had a great burst of speed through the middle.
I watch a shit loads of football, I can't think of a suitable replacement or even close to similar replacement to Fernandinho.
I noticed Fred vs us, thought he was great. Perhaps Alaba, Savic.
But I can't think of another holding player that rolls pace, power, intelligence, aerial ability, game smarts, passing and energy like Fernandinho does.
NDombele looks like this type of player. 21 yo, and Lyon president will soon consider selling him for the right price.I think we've been spoilt with Fernandinho. Especially as you point out, aerially. I think having someone that good at filling in the lines on the floor and in the air is rare. Especially when you combine it with his pace, athletic ability and his decent attacking game. He really has become the real deal, the total package in that role.
I think we'll be very lucky to uncover another like him. I think Fred will provide the energy Fernandinho does. Hopefully a little more considering age.
Gundogan is slightly better in possession and at his pomp had a great burst of speed through the middle.
I watch a shit loads of football, I can't think of a suitable replacement or even close to similar replacement to Fernandinho.
I noticed Fred vs us, thought he was great. Perhaps Alaba, Savic.
But I can't think of another holding player that rolls pace, power, intelligence, aerial ability, game smarts, passing and energy like Fernandinho does.
Its hard to judge when he is surrounded by so many other 'under' performances. He had to constantly drop deep to get slow ball from Yaya, some of the distribution out of defence was poor. Phil is still inexperienced and i thought he took wrong positions off the ball at numerous times last night. He actually got in the way of runs a few times - he will learn though. in front of him Gabby looks incredibly ring rusty. So is it fair to expect him to dominate when a number of cogs in the machine are grinding? Put him in the first team and he invariably plays well and makes excellent contribution. I agree he is no KDB but should we expect him to be - at the moment he is being criticised because he falls short of Kev/Dave which is a little harsh as so would every other midfield player in the premier league.His usual slow game last night but this time against mediocre opposition. Can't dictate play in a game. Probably Peps worst buy to my mind. Not terrible just not that great. Last night he looked worse as he was next to the statue that is Yaya.
Its hard to judge when he is surrounded by so many other 'under' performances. He had to constantly drop deep to get slow ball from Yaya, some of the distribution out of defence was poor. Phil is still inexperienced and i thought he took wrong positions off the ball at numerous times last night. He actually got in the way of runs a few times - he will learn though. in front of him Gabby looks incredibly ring rusty. So is it fair to expect him to dominate when a number of cogs in the machine are grinding? Put him in the first team and he invariably plays well and makes excellent contribution. I agree he is no KDB but should we expect him to be - at the moment he is being criticised because he falls short of Kev/Dave which is a little harsh as so would every other midfield player in the premier league.
Probably you or I mate. I think he is a good player and is great alongside either of them. He has had some very good performances such as Barca last season and Basel away this season. He will only get better as long as he stays injury free so I am more than happy with him.Sure he looks better alongside Dave or Kev but who doesn't.
Sorry not for me. I have never seen him have a stand out performance in a game, I can't imagine him doing so. Sure he looks better alongside Dave or Kev but who doesn't. Last night he had a chance to shine and simple didn't turn up I except that some of that was down to covering for Yaya. Just not good enough for us. As others have said he's tidy but imo that isn't enough on its own.
He’s a defensive mid all day for me. Doesn’t suit playing further forward at all.
In defensive mid he finds space and demands the ball, further forward he hides and when he does get it doesn’t seem as composed.
One of the best performances I’ve ever seen by a player was his game for Dortmund against us. In defensive mid. Superb. Played really well on Sunday. In defensive mid. Superb.
Don’t think he’s played well once for us further forward yet.