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Ilkay Gundogan - 2018/19 performances
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Churchlawtonblue
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Yes he cut out the ball and made tackles a couple of times but generally I thought he got outclassed yesterday by Mouriniho and Neves. Lacks pace and doesn't seem to step up in tough games. Shame pep didnt change it earlier. That said many had an slightly off game yesterday. Foden is the future not this lad, just too slow for our midfield.
Yes he cut out the ball and made tackles a couple of times but generally I thought he got outclassed yesterday by Mouriniho and Neves. Lacks pace and doesn't seem to step up in tough games. Shame pep didnt change it earlier. That said many had an slightly off game yesterday. Foden is the future not this lad, just too slow for our midfield.
Yeah Foden was excellent in the community Shield and not started our 3 league games can understand it though with our squad but I’d like to see him start a game where we have a full strength team out not in the cup later on where he be one of 6 or 7 changes.
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I thought he was ok compared to some others, & nowhere near the worst, but that's not saying much, as some were pretty bad.
His lack of athleticism was highlighted again at times, which means others have to work harder & faster, to make up for it, & that could be reducing their ability to press/win 2nd balls etc.
His free kick for the goal was quality & he put in another one, which was just as good but no City players were in position to cash in. That was his highlight imo.
But if for instance, Modric had come on for Gundogan at half time, how do we think would City look 2nd half: worse, the same or better ? I recon, on another planet.
And that's the problem as I see it. Gundogan is neat & tidy, but needs to be either inspirational, or fucking brilliant at pressing/covering imo, to merit a shirt.
We are currently one exceptional midfielder short for an ideal squad & he has to step up to that level.
His lack of athleticism was highlighted again at times, which means others have to work harder & faster, to make up for it, & that could be reducing their ability to press/win 2nd balls etc.
His free kick for the goal was quality & he put in another one, which was just as good but no City players were in position to cash in. That was his highlight imo.
But if for instance, Modric had come on for Gundogan at half time, how do we think would City look 2nd half: worse, the same or better ? I recon, on another planet.
And that's the problem as I see it. Gundogan is neat & tidy, but needs to be either inspirational, or fucking brilliant at pressing/covering imo, to merit a shirt.
We are currently one exceptional midfielder short for an ideal squad & he has to step up to that level.
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Yeah Foden was excellent in the community Shield and not started our 3 league games can understand it though with our squad but I’d like to see him start a game where we have a full strength team out not in the cup later on where he be one of 6 or 7 changes.
That's the problem Foden will have, if he gets a start in the cup games agaisnt so called lower league opposition he will probably start alongside two or three other young players or the likes of players just outside the first team choice like Delph or Danilo . Ie it will be harder for him to make an impact. Gundogwan doesnt have that problem, he starts alongside our best players and that only makes it easier for him it also makes him look better than he is when the whole team is playing well.
Neville Kneville
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That's the problem Foden will have, if he gets a start in the cup games agaisnt so called lower league opposition he will probably start alongside two or three other young players or the likes of players just outside the first team choice like Delph or Danilo . Ie it will be harder for him to make an impact. Gundogwan doesnt have that problem, he starts alongside our best players and that only makes it easier for him it also makes him look better than he is when the whole team is playing well.
It's a bit of a gamble to start him in these early games, but we look slower than we should be, with Gundogan replacing KDB, imo & Foden is covering a lot of ground when he plays, as well as being quality.
It's something Pep should consider imo, getting him involved soon as possible. Whether in place of Gundogan or someone else I don't know, but I don't think the Ciy team yesterday would have mugged Jorginho, the way Foden & Bernardo did at Wembley.
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It's a bit of a gamble to start him in these early games, but we look slower than we should be, with Gundogan replacing KDB, imo & Foden is covering a lot of ground when he plays, as well as being quality.
It's something Pep should consider imo, getting him involved soon as possible. Whether in place of Gundogan or someone else I don't know, but I don't think the Ciy team yesterday would have mugged Jorginho, the way Foden & Bernardo did at Wembley.
Gundogwan needs to up his game, putting him on the bench might make him realise he isn't undroppable.
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I’m not saying Gundogan is better than Silva, but where was Silva yesterday when we need someone to step up? He’s nowhere near as good as KDB or Silva, they’re the two of the best in football. But he’s still a valuable player for City.
Silva will go down as one of, if not the greatest player in our history. He is allowed an off game every now and then. I have lost count of how many great performances he has put in over the years, I have probably forgotten 90% of them because he produces to such a high standard so often.
On the other hand we have Gundogan, who in the main, has performed so poorly, we all remember his standout performance against Barcelona.........two fucking years ago. The guy was better off injured, there was a belief he was badly missed when he couldn’t play, the longer he was out, the better he got.
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I'd sum him up as moments of pure class sprinkled over mainly indifferent performances. He is not a DM ..
Neville Kneville
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I'd sum him up as moments of pure class sprinkled over mainly indifferent performances. He is not a DM ..
He wasn't playing dm yesterday of course but, no he isn't.
I'd be interested to know what role those who are particularly fond of him, think he is playing, what they think we are trying to acheive when he plays, ie what we want to see Gundogan do, in the game.
It seems to me that as it stands they see his key role as not giving the ball away much, occasionally tracking back occasionally putting a decent pass in & rarely scoring & if he ticks those boxes he's done well.
Wayne Rooney can do that now with similar work ethic & score goals.
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