Yes we beat Spain I watched it. Are we a good team? No. Will we be a good team? I hope so but we need 4 or 5 players from somewhere to step up. If we played a tournament next week barring a flukey smash and grab we get knocked out. We might even get beat by a poor team.

Same for pretty much every nation and club in the world. That’s football. Enjoy the good times, like reaching a semi and smashing Spain in their backyard.
 
Stones and Gomez (form and injuries permitting) should be a great partnership at the back for the next few years at the very least.
 
The fodder I was referring to are the World Cup and Euro qualifiers we go through. This discussion has been had before England’s record against good teams in tournament matches isn’t bad it’s woeful. We are probably the most under performing team in international football for a very very long time. Does a smash and grab against Spain in one match change this? No.

'Smash and grab'?

You're tying yourself in knots trying to prove we're shite when we've just beaten one of the best teams in the world on their own patch.

Try giving them a bit of credit for once.
 
Same for pretty much every nation and club in the world. That’s football. Enjoy the good times, like reaching a semi and smashing Spain in their backyard.

I will certainly tell the grandkids about beating Spain 3 2 in the nations thingy and spanking Panama that’s for sure. I’ve kept the press cuttings.

Roar.
 
'Smash and grab'?

You're tying yourself in knots trying to prove we're shite when we've just beaten one of the best teams in the world on their own patch.

Try giving them a bit of credit for once.

A smash and grab is where you have little possession and score on the break. England 20 something percent possession 3 shots on target 3 goals. I credit them for a good win. If you can show me a period of good football I will concede, but you can’t. The only one in a granny knot is you.
 
A smash and grab is where you have little possession and score on the break. England 20 something percent possession 3 shots on target 3 goals. I credit them for a good win. If you can show me a period of good football I will concede, but you can’t. The only one in a granny knot is you.

Brazil had the majority of the possession against Germany in 2014 and got smashed 7-1.

There's nothing wrong with counterattack football.
 
A smash and grab is where you have little possession and score on the break. England 20 something percent possession 3 shots on target 3 goals. I credit them for a good win. If you can show me a period of good football I will concede, but you can’t. The only one in a granny knot is you.
Smash and grab good description of events.
Then ride your luck and bingo!
 
Watching David De Gea playing in a possession based team is hilarious tbh. His passing is appalling and he spent the entire first half hiding on his goal line, making it impossible for his defence to keep a high line without leaving an ocean of space for us in behind. Then clearly someone had a word at half time, so he spent the entire second half suicidally charging out and getting nowhere near the ball on balls his defenders had easily covered.
 

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