Interview with Daniel Taylor from The Guardian

Should of asked him abt that article he wrote abt city fans and Munich chanting a few years back
He's lower than a crocodiles belly.
 
The cookie monster said:
Should of asked him abt that article he wrote abt city fans and Munich chanting a few years back
He's lower than a crocodiles belly.

What? City fans chanting about Munich? i've never heard that in 38 years watching us home and away.

Big Agenda Snakes Cockroach Rag Biased Mother.
 
How are we staying within the £49m transfer limit if Mangala cost £42m? When you add in Bony's fee we're way over it in net spend.
 
Rolee said:
How are we staying within the £49m transfer limit if Mangala cost £42m? When you add in Bony's fee we're way over it in net spend.
We are allowed to include the £25k for Negredo. Confirmed by UEFA
 
Ric said:
I interviewed Daniel Taylor, The Guardian's chief football writer, recently on issues such as the title race, FFP, , Twitter and the "agenda":

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Ric is one if not the most decent fella's you could meet before i read this should i have hoped we had Paxman for the agenda q's ?
I mean unless you threatened his family there are few things you can do to make Ric give you both barrels. :-D

Gonna roll a fat one for this, should i prepare myself for rage etc ???

Before i do read it i have to doff my cap to Mr Taylor for doing this, can you imagine that imbecile Barclay doing this, exactly!
So yeah fair play Daniel you deserve kudos for that mate.
 
FantasyIreland said:
I don't mind DT,of the pack,he seems amongst the more intelligent,well balanced and honest.

Good interview Ric.
As one of the Bluemooners who's met him, I can confirm the above. A decent, down-to-earth guy who has developed into a fine football writer.

Re the Munich article, I had a beef with him over that and when we finally met he told me the story behind it. It was Paul Tyrrell who asked him to write it and while I agreed fully with the principle, it was a typically heavy-handed approach by Tyrrell.
 
Excellent read that was Ric.

Fair play to Daniel and i tend to agree with him. As neither anti or pro agenda i tend to agree with his points tbh.
I feel he doesn't acknowledge the "mood" of some reporters towards us but these are generally the London mob and he focuses on the Manchester bunch.
I wonder if Jamie Jackson gets invited round for a bbq at Daniel's house? :-D

An interesting read with actual substance, not airy bollocks. You have to respect that no matter your views on him.


However you failed to ask the most pertinent question Ric now i could be reading the words of a fully signed up member of the muffin brigade and never know !!!
 
I've said this before and i'll stand by it until i'm blue in the face;

Newspapers are in the industry of selling units and getting clicks, they produce sports material that is at the same time; informative (to whatever degree you consider), provocative, interesting and populist.

we are still in a situation where a large make up of UK fans are United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal. The Premier League era big boys. That's their market and 10 back pages of how good City are and how good they will be will not shift aforementioned units and neither will it attract this huge base of readership to their websites (and thus advertisers).

For now it remains inflammatory but i would love to see in 10 or 15 years time - when the current crop of 5 to 8 year olds who have emerged as footy fans and have a City side that wins titles to pick from - have disposable incomes, how the news coverage changes then.

The only 'agenda' i see is age-old newspaper bias to sell units and advertising to satisfy the largest consumer base. They have zero interest in squashing City out of existence as they are a massive market in the making.
 
Interesting read. I don't agree with everything he says. In particular when he talks about the perceived negative coverage City get in comparison to other clubs. I think he's deluding himself if he thinks that City aren't either ignored or criticised, but rarely praised, whereas Chelsea, United, Arsenal, and Liverpool all get praise and criticism in relatively equal measures.
 
The problem with this interview is DT is actually one of the very good reporters out there who does offer balance and impartial opinions. He always comes across well and even if there's a negative it's done in a respectable manner.

Now, had we had the pleasure of Ladyman,Herbert,Ogden,Jackson,McDonnell,Dunn, Harris (both of them), Lipton, Scott and a few others I'm sure the outcome would read a bit different.

It's all well and good having bluemoons wannabe celebrity posters calling anyone who thinks there's an imbalance in how we're reported on a loon, or paranoid. I think there's been enough evidence in the agenda thread to prove otherwise (discounting the one or two who are most definitely loons and paranoid)

Anyway, well done to Ric on getting the interview in the first place, would be a good feature to have once a month using different journo's, maybe one or two of those mentioned above would like to join us for a friendly chat.. :)
 
How can the club get away with lying about transfer fees?

Dont the club have to announce the actual fee in the books?

Why didn't the press release the other figures? Why stop at saying Mangala was £42mill why not go back through other players fees?
 
it doesn't excuse the misrepresentation of us though, for example in terms of our spending, wage bill and FFP etc.

Why doesn't DT come out tomorrow and write a positive article, saying that actually we've been responsible financially for the past several seasons, that FFP is complete bollocks and look how clubs like United are completely battering the market and outspending us?

It's alright for him to say it to you, but until he has the balls to put it in a national paper regularly and force the standards of the press up by aligning with the fairer journalists to put pressure on the gutter press, like the guy who put a back page of us as cheats the other week despite it being proved otherwise 2 days later, until the big crap stops being spouted, and the huge lies printed about us, then all the slight criticisms are going to rile us as well, because if you're going to allow people to lie about us in the national press, and not being strong in defending us when we deserve to be, then we're going to take the stance that you want to do us down, and that will manifest itself in people picking on every little detail, because they don't trust you anymore.

So Daniel Taylor, if you truly believe what you told Ric, take a leaf out of Martin Samuel's book and write about it, and set a fair press standard that puts pressure on those who call us cheats and lie about us, and force them through peer pressure to at least be fair. If you want to criticise the club over the handling of Lampard, or over the Mangala fee, fine, if you have the evidence to support you. But for us to be labelled "FFP dodgers", is inexcusable and a leading journalist like yourself should not accept your peers damaging your industry's reputation by it. So print about us fairly, defend us when your disreputable colleagues lie about us and not only may your industry change for the better, but you'll get a lot more respect for it.

We don't want to see you slag off United either, and be biased in the other way. I think simply, the main bone of contention is that if you're going to criticise us for things, then you should equally do so when United do it worse (i.e. excessive spending, high wage bills, based in the Cayman Islands, lots of debt). It's the complete unfairness of slamming City for something, then not clubs who have done it worse, or just plain lying about us (not a claim against you personally) that riles City fans, and you and your peers who claim, as you do in the interview, to be fair and honest and have those views, should do more to make sure your profession is, well professionally, in its reporting towards all teams, including City.
 
A good article/interview and a good read. I respect the man for his honesty and perhaps we should take a look at ourselves before 'gobbing' off.
 
Mister Appointment said:
Interesting read. I don't agree with everything he says. In particular when he talks about the perceived negative coverage City get in comparison to other clubs. I think he's deluding himself if he thinks that City aren't either ignored or criticised, but rarely praised, whereas Chelsea, United, Arsenal, and Liverpool all get praise and criticism in relatively equal measures.

Yes, there was a touch of the Mandy Rice-Davis's about that answer, and the one to Ric's question about the Northern Press pack as well, where the chief football writers for 3 of the 4 broadsheets are rags - Ogden, Jackson and, despite what Taylor says, Herbert, who is to Wrexham as referee Anthony Taylor is to Altrincham. And given that Ogden has already acknowledged on Bluemoon that 'click based' articles are a staple of all papers now, DT's denial of bias rings a bit hollow. Fair play to the bloke for coming on here, but for the most part my sentiments echo those of Joe Mercer's Way above
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
Mister Appointment said:
Interesting read. I don't agree with everything he says. In particular when he talks about the perceived negative coverage City get in comparison to other clubs. I think he's deluding himself if he thinks that City aren't either ignored or criticised, but rarely praised, whereas Chelsea, United, Arsenal, and Liverpool all get praise and criticism in relatively equal measures.

Yes, there was a touch of the Mandy Rice-Davis's about that answer, and the one to Ric's question about the Northern Press pack as well, where the chief football writers for 3 of the 4 broadsheets are rags - Ogden, Jackson and, despite what Taylor says, Herbert, who is to Wrexham as referee Anthony Taylor is to Altrincham. And given that Ogden has already acknowledged on Bluemoon that 'click based' articles are a staple of all papers now, DT's denial of bias rings a bit hollow. Fair play to the bloke for coming on here though

I can assure you Ian Herbert is 100% a Wrexham fan and a proper fan at that. Was at Wembley watching them last year and even had their fans song sung at his wedding. He is certainly NOT a rag.
 
our tommy said:
Exeter Blue I am here said:
Mister Appointment said:
Interesting read. I don't agree with everything he says. In particular when he talks about the perceived negative coverage City get in comparison to other clubs. I think he's deluding himself if he thinks that City aren't either ignored or criticised, but rarely praised, whereas Chelsea, United, Arsenal, and Liverpool all get praise and criticism in relatively equal measures.

Yes, there was a touch of the Mandy Rice-Davis's about that answer, and the one to Ric's question about the Northern Press pack as well, where the chief football writers for 3 of the 4 broadsheets are rags - Ogden, Jackson and, despite what Taylor says, Herbert, who is to Wrexham as referee Anthony Taylor is to Altrincham. And given that Ogden has already acknowledged on Bluemoon that 'click based' articles are a staple of all papers now, DT's denial of bias rings a bit hollow. Fair play to the bloke for coming on here though

I can assure you Ian Herbert is 100% a Wrexham fan and a proper fan at that. Was at Wembley watching them last year and even had their fans song sung at his wedding. He is certainly NOT a rag.

I never said he wasn't a Wrexham fan, merely that that allegiance conveniently obscures the fact that he favours United as well. A bit like me in fact, in so much as I support Exeter City, I still go and watch them half a dozen times a season despite having moved away, but my overwhelming passion has always been, and will always be, Manchester City
 

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