Ireland distraught

[gio's side step]

You highlight the point I made myself. The reason he is, is because Villa and Millner are more professional than we are regarding the issue. Ireland is good enough and would have been certainly involved in first team training for fck sake had he not stalled over the move to Villa.

And there lies the flaw in your 'OPINION'. You believe Ireland is good enough and 'certainly' would have been in the 25 man squad. Unfortunately Mancini, along with many posters on here, think he simply can't cut the yellow stuff. The irony is if Ireland was as mecurially talanted as you seem to believe he is he'd be playing evedy fucking game. he's not and so he isn't.

You demonstrate no flaw whatsoever. Just because you, Mancini and some others on here think he isnt good enough, doesnt mean I have to agree. Thus it doesnt make my opinion flawed just because it differs. I think you lack football intelligence if you wish to over simply the issue by suggesting he cant cut the stuff based on perception from sporadic games last season. I say sporadic, because he played in different positions, at different periods of games, and different games entirely. He certainly wasnt given the opportunity to regularly play in his best position. I am not defending the performances where he was extremely quiet, nor I am suggesting he isnt a player who certainly needs to feel confident and wanted. However, your points about him not being good enough, I dont agree with. I think Mancini is within his rights of course for Ireland to not be part of his formation or first team plan, we certainly play a different way now, however, I still think Ireland has tremendous ability and if utlised correctly and consistently, can still be a top player. I dont mind disagreeing at all in our analysis. However just because we disagree doesnt mean my opinion is flawed

 

[Nascent Blues]

And there lies the flaw in your 'OPINION'. You believe Ireland is good enough and 'certainly' would have been in the 25 man squad. Unfortunately Mancini, along with many posters on here, think he simply can't cut the yellow stuff. The irony is if Ireland was as mecurially talanted as you seem to believe he is he'd be playing evedy fucking game. he's not and so he isn't.

You demonstrate no flaw whatsoever. Just because you, Mancini and some others on here think he isnt good enough, doesnt mean I have to agree. Thus it doesnt make my opinion flawed just because it differs. I think you lack football intelligence if you wish to over simply the issue by suggesting he cant cut the stuff based on perception from sporadic games last season. I say sporadic, because he played in different positions, at different periods of games, and different games entirely. He certainly wasnt given the opportunity to regularly play in his best position. I am not defending the performances where he was extremely quiet, nor I am suggesting he isnt a player who certainly needs to feel confident and wanted. However, your points about him not being good enough, I dont agree with. I think Mancini is within his rights of course for Ireland to not be part of his formation or first team plan, we certainly play a different way now, however, I still think Ireland has tremendous ability and if utlised correctly and consistently, can still be a top player. I dont mind disagreeing at all in our analysis. However just because we disagree doesnt mean my opinion is flawed

It really is quite simple to understand. You put forward an opinion but stated it as 'fact', therefore it becomes flawed because it now becomes a false fact. We can agree to disagree on the merits as to why Ireland should or should not be in the squad but to state that he 'would certainly have been in the squad' is conjecture and not, as you stated, a given.

And for somebody who criticises other blues by calling them 'mancini arsewipers' when you yourself have your tongue so far up Ireland and Beller's shitpipes that you can taste what they had for breakast smacks a little of hypocrasy (imo).

 

[gio's side step]

You demonstrate no flaw whatsoever. Just because you, Mancini and some others on here think he isnt good enough, doesnt mean I have to agree. Thus it doesnt make my opinion flawed just because it differs. I think you lack football intelligence if you wish to over simply the issue by suggesting he cant cut the stuff based on perception from sporadic games last season. I say sporadic, because he played in different positions, at different periods of games, and different games entirely. He certainly wasnt given the opportunity to regularly play in his best position. I am not defending the performances where he was extremely quiet, nor I am suggesting he isnt a player who certainly needs to feel confident and wanted. However, your points about him not being good enough, I dont agree with. I think Mancini is within his rights of course for Ireland to not be part of his formation or first team plan, we certainly play a different way now, however, I still think Ireland has tremendous ability and if utlised correctly and consistently, can still be a top player. I dont mind disagreeing at all in our analysis. However just because we disagree doesnt mean my opinion is flawed

It really is quite simple to understand. You put forward an opinion but stated it as 'fact', therefore it becomes flawed because it now becomes a false fact. We can agree to disagree on the merits as to why Ireland should or should not be in the squad but to state that he 'would certainly have been in the squad' is conjecture and not, as you stated, a given.

And for somebody who criticises other blues by calling them 'mancini arsewipers' when you yourself have your tongue so far up Ireland and Beller's shitpipes that you can taste what they had for breakast smacks a little of hypocrasy (imo).

What is hypocritical, is these fans slagging off Bellamy for speaking out in public, being more than happy to wipe the arse of Tevez and still support him, after he has done the same thing, slag off Mancini in public at the end of last season and constantly point out he is unhappy. I invite you to publically state the difference between Tevez and Bellamy in this respect. My support for Bellamy and Ireland are simply based on abilty. I would rather see a City squad feature them over Jo and Vieira. Moreover, Millner is not an 18million pound better player than Ireland. Ridiculous.

 

[blue dallas]

MEN.
rag comic.

 

[Bazza]

Bottom line is that is is sad for us to see one of the Academy boy's and someone we all know is a supreme talent leaving the club. Steve will go on to have a great career (you are not going to like this) I am pleased that it is not someone like The Rags picking him up. He could be one of the very best in the Premiership and he strikes me as someone who needs the manager to put his arm around him. This is never going to happen with Mancini and thank God Old Purple Nose will not get his hands on him because as much as I hate him I bet he could get the best out of Stevie.
We have to get behind our manager and it is obvious he still needs to a)bring his own players in and b)still needs to convince those left in the squad that it is his way or the highway. The press are hammering us for players disgruntled and the squad not happy and I cannot help but think that there are a lot of truths in that. I just do not think it is as bad as everyone in the press is making it out to be. There are tough decisions to be made and like him or hate him Mancini is showing that he is making them.
We need to get behind Mancini as we have had too much turnover at the club and we have someone in place who has had success in the past. I do think there will be some more bumps in the road and it may not all happen this season but if we keep our eye on the goals of top 4 this year and a good cup run then we will certainly have the Trophy we all desire within the next couple of years.
All the best to Stevie he will always be Superman and he will get a big cheer from me when he comes back to play us.
Bazza

 

[dw7]

When I heard about Ireland demanding a £2m goodbye payment I thought it was a joke. Obviously it's coming from his agent who is trying to get him, and himself, as much money as he can. But it's a piss take to be frank and I thought the club was doing absolutely the right thing about playing hardball.

However, reading the article in the MEN (sorry if already posted but couldn't find it)

<a class="postlink" href="http://menmedia.co.uk/sport/football/manchester_city/s/1314078_ireland_left_out_in_cold_by_city" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://menmedia.co.uk/sport/football/ma ... ld_by_city</a>

I can't help but feel we're being very unprofessional by not letting him train with the 1st team. It's clear that Mancini is bringing the business side of things onto the training pitch. Bellamy has been told to stay away (rightly so if he is a disruptive figure in training but think it has more to do with trying to force him out) but now Ireland has been told he has to train with the reserves? This is a guy who has been brought through our ranks, has city in his heart, and yes hasn't been great recently but has performed very well for us in the past. He is NOT a reserve player, and even though he's probably leaving, and even though he isn't in our 25 man squad, how is letting him continue to train with the first team going to be a disruptive influence on the squad? He's never slagged us off to my knowledge and he's never been disruptive on the pitch, in the training room, or in the dressing room that I know of. And to treat him this way, because we want him to be part of the Milner deal is unprofessional and disgraceful in my opinion. Really don't like this side of Mancini. I hope I've got it wrong.

his pals have been on here months saying he wants to leave if he aint playing so adios we've got a better player in milner

 

[Didsbury Dave]

And there lies the flaw in your 'OPINION'. You believe Ireland is good enough and 'certainly' would have been in the 25 man squad. Unfortunately Mancini, along with many posters on here, think he simply can't cut the yellow stuff. The irony is if Ireland was as mecurially talanted as you seem to believe he is he'd be playing evedy fucking game. he's not and so he isn't.

You demonstrate no flaw whatsoever. Just because you, Mancini and some others on here think he isnt good enough, doesnt mean I have to agree. Thus it doesnt make my opinion flawed just because it differs. I think you lack football intelligence if you wish to over simply the issue by suggesting he cant cut the stuff based on perception from sporadic games last season. I say sporadic, because he played in different positions, at different periods of games, and different games entirely. He certainly wasnt given the opportunity to regularly play in his best position. I am not defending the performances where he was extremely quiet, nor I am suggesting he isnt a player who certainly needs to feel confident and wanted. However, your points about him not being good enough, I dont agree with. I think Mancini is within his rights of course for Ireland to not be part of his formation or first team plan, we certainly play a different way now, however, I still think Ireland has tremendous ability and if utlised correctly and consistently, can still be a top player. I dont mind disagreeing at all in our analysis. However just because we disagree doesnt mean my opinion is flawed

That's the post of a man who knows his football.

Fair play to you sir.

Keep fighting the good fight ;-)

 

[johnny crossan]

sad

 

[bigquinn772]

All the best Stevie. Still wearing blue to the very end.

 

[Nascent Blues]

It really is quite simple to understand. You put forward an opinion but stated it as 'fact', therefore it becomes flawed because it now becomes a false fact. We can agree to disagree on the merits as to why Ireland should or should not be in the squad but to state that he 'would certainly have been in the squad' is conjecture and not, as you stated, a given.

And for somebody who criticises other blues by calling them 'mancini arsewipers' when you yourself have your tongue so far up Ireland and Beller's shitpipes that you can taste what they had for breakast smacks a little of hypocrasy (imo).

What is hypocritical, is these fans slagging off Bellamy for speaking out in public, being more than happy to wipe the arse of Tevez and still support him, after he has done the same thing, slag off Mancini in public at the end of last season and constantly point out he is unhappy. I invite you to publically state the difference between Tevez and Bellamy in this respect. My support for Bellamy and Ireland are simply based on abilty. I would rather see a City squad feature them over Jo and Vieira. Moreover, Millner is not an 18million pound better player than Ireland. Ridiculous.

Right, i'll try to publicly state why i think there could have been a difference in the way the respective positions of both players have been viewed and dealt with differently; although it may be difficult with my limited intelligence.

Primarily, i think the answer lies in the very question you put forward in that the assertion that there is no difference between the way both players have acted since Mancini came to City is in itself, i belive, inaccurate. For instance, here are a few hypothetical scenarios:

(about the same manager)
player a) i think the way he wears his hair is slightly effeminate but each to there own
player b) i think our manager has his own ideas about how the game should be played, we just have to try and implement his ideas

player c) i don't really enjoy the training methods but i suppose it's the results that count

player d) the manager is a ****, no fucker likes him and he hasn't got a fucking clue

There's 4 examples of criticism; can you tell me if there are any differences between them?
To use an analogy: i would expect different a different reaction to somebody doing 33 in a thirty than somebody doing 70. Both have committed the same crime of speeding but with there is a significant difference in the level of severity between the two same crimes of speeding.

I don't know what has gone on behind the scenes, and i don't no whether the rumours of Bellers telling Gollum to hit Mancini are true, or whether he indeed did high five Twitcher after the Spuds game. What does seem apparant however is that Mancini believes Bellers has overstepped the mark and due to the fact that he is the manager and is privy to more than we know i am willing to accept his judgement.

I hope this response is not too cumbersome and that i have adequately explained why i think there could be a difference between Tevaz saying that he doesn't like double training sessions and the possible disruptive behaviour/criticism by Bellers, behaviour/criticism that we, unlike Mancini, are blissfully unaware of.<br /><br />-- Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:54 pm --<br /><br />sorry for any typos, am using the wii as my laptop is fucked