Ireland distraught

[gio's side step]

You highlight the point I made myself. The reason he is, is because Villa and Millner are more professional than we are regarding the issue. Ireland is good enough and would have been certainly involved in first team training for fck sake had he not stalled over the move to Villa.

Interesting how I seem to highlight your point with a completely different one. I don't think you interpret text very well. Ireland is not good enough for this squad or he'd be part of our plans for the season which he isn't. He looked for a brief time like he could step up but it was a false dawn. Milner is just about Villa's best player. They don't want him gone but can't afford to keep him. Until he's gone he ill be in their 1st team. Ireland isn't good enough for ours and has consistantly proved this over the last year and in pre-season this year. He hasn't stepped up. Shame, I was rooting for the guy but the truth sometimes hurts.

I completely disagree with your analysis. I believe Ireland (as was the case with him training and playing throughout pre-season) was on the periphery of Mancini's plans. He might not have been as important as Vieira for example (what a fcking joke), however he wasn't clearly out of his plans either. If that was the case, why not put him on the transfer list and make it clear? They have only reacted this way because Mancini doesnt like the fact that Ireland hasnt been a good little schoolboy and gone to Villa with no questions asked. I am happy to debate why I think Ireland is a better player than you give him credit for, and the insulting nature of how someone like Vieira would be in the squad before him, when we have enough defensive minded midfield players, and some coming through at youth level, but I was actually responding to the point someone made about Ireland being left out so he doesnt know our tactics, which is a load of bollocks. And that the same should apply for Millner.

 

[Balti]

For years and years City has been a club where the pro's have had the upper hand and mediocrity has been handsomely rewarded. We are changing and the whole mindset has shifted. We are not here for their convenience. There is a structure to be adhered to. If you are not in the 1st team squad you do not train with the first team.

On the other hand I don't blame him holding out for compensation as he has a contract. I wouldn't be forced out either and therefore Stevie should just swallow his pride and train with the reserves and get his agent doing something productive in terms of finding an alternative new club in the meantime. If he's as good as some people think he is then he will have no shortage of admirers. And then it comes down to whether first team Premier League football or some money via compensation is more important to him as to how long he trains with the ressies.

He'll be very handsomely remunerated in the meantime so I'm sure he'll manage.

 

[gio's side step]

No Im not looking at it so one sided. I am one of the very few on here who isnt masturbating over Mancini nor wiping his arse on a daily basis. I could well and truly expose some of the fickleness and self deception on part of some of you on here on a daily basis, but cant be arsed. 'We don't need Ireland'? The issue I responded to was about 'why allow him to train when he is likely to move and know our tactics' and how that is the same for Millner.

so here is your main problem in this then?

i still have to pass my own judgment on mancini so don't pass me off as some kind of arse wiper as you put it.

people have all ready put another view on why milner is still training in the first team and my Ireland is not but for some reason you want not to see that these reason could be viable?

No my problem will be interpreted as this by over simplified small minded people. I am not anti Mancini. I want him to do well. I just will pose critical questions of things as I see them, and not be a blue who stinks of the smell of their own self deceived fearful shit at not being able to offer anything which might appear to resemble criticism of Mancini

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

Gutted for Stevie, absolutely gutted.

The lad has come back from the brink before when he had his best season under Sven, I really thought he would come good this year.

How many Irish lads is that we've got rid of after being player of the year? And now Seamus is out as well. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Nascent Blues]

No, the difference is that Milner IS part of the Villa 1st team squad at the moment.[/b] He scored for tham at the weekend or had you not noticed? Until he's sold he's in their 1st team. Ireland isn't in ours whether he's sold or not.

You highlight the point I made myself. The reason he is, is because Villa and Millner are more professional than we are regarding the issue. Ireland is good enough and would have been certainly involved in first team training for fck sake had he not stalled over the move to Villa.

And there lies the flaw in your 'OPINION'. You believe Ireland is good enough and 'certainly' would have been in the 25 man squad. Unfortunately Mancini, along with many posters on here, think he simply can't cut the yellow stuff. The irony is if Ireland was as mecurially talanted as you seem to believe he is he'd be playing evedy fucking game. he's not and so he isn't.

 

[malg]

I've read a couple of pages of this thread, but not all of it, so apologies if what I'm about to say has been stated already.

Someone made a good point the other day, which I hadn't thought about - and it may have been to do with Bellamy not being allowed to train. The point was that Mancini is doing tactical work with the players, which will give full details on how we will set up for certain games. This will probably include set pieces and formations. With that in mind, why would he let players in on this who will more than likely be off to one of our rivals in very short order?

Don't know if it has anything to do with it, but it wasn't a bad point.

 

[leewill31]

so here is your main problem in this then?

i still have to pass my own judgment on mancini so don't pass me off as some kind of arse wiper as you put it.

people have all ready put another view on why milner is still training in the first team and my Ireland is not but for some reason you want not to see that these reason could be viable?

No my problem will be interpreted as this by over simplified small minded people. I am not anti Mancini. I want him to do well. I just will pose critical questions of things as I see them, and not be a blue who stinks of the smell of their own self deceived fearful shit at not being able to offer anything which might appear to resemble criticism of Mancini

it seems reasoned debate has gone out of the window with you know calling blues!

i think i will leave this one now shame really.

 

[Fuzzmaster101]

I completely disagree with your analysis. I believe Ireland (as was the case with him training and playing throughout pre-season) was on the periphery of Mancini's plans. He might not have been as important as Vieira for example (what a fcking joke), however he wasn't clearly out of his plans either. If that was the case, why not put him on the transfer list and make it clear? They have only reacted this way because Mancini doesnt like the fact that Ireland hasnt been a good little schoolboy and gone to Villa with no questions asked. I am happy to debate why I think Ireland is a better player than you give him credit for, and the insulting nature of how someone like Vieira would be in the squad before him, when we have enough defensive minded midfield players, and some coming through at youth level, but I was actually responding to the point someone made about Ireland being left out so he doesnt know our tactics, which is a load of bollocks. And that the same should apply for Millner.

No you were responding to me and I have not mentioned tactics once in any point I've made. Ireland isn't good enough, get over it. I wish he was but he's not. When was the last time he looked good for us? I think you'll find it was Blackburn away, first game of last season. He's occasionally played a good pass in the odd game since. That's not enough.

 

[davymcfc]

i kinda feel sorry for stevie boy. wasnt good enough last season to be fair.

 

[EL APACHE TEVEZ]

I've read a couple of pages of this thread, but not all of it, so apologies if what I'm about to say has been stated already.

Someone made a good point the other day, which I hadn't thought about - and it may have been to do with Bellamy not being allowed to train. The point was that Mancini is doing tactical work with the players, which will give full details on how we will set up for certain games. This will probably include set pieces and formations. With that in mind, why would he let players in on this who will more than likely be off to one of our rivals in very short order?

Don't know if it has anything to do with it, but it wasn't a bad point.

tactical work on defensive midfield,i think everyone know's about that.