Irish Current Affairs.

Hopefully a well done to the governments of the UK and Ireland in getting everyone back to work in Stormont.
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
How do i feel about the song? Or the whole Fine Gael thing?
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The RIC commemoration furore!
I personally see both sides but think if this country is ever to move on and seriously envisages a resolution with the six counties, then something will need to be done to include our complete history. I can see how having the names of all who have fallen in what essentially is a republican memorial in Glasnevin Cemetery would be controversial still with large elements of the population here particularly if it is to include the B&Ts and the B-Specials.

Still very emotive 100 years on. You can see why I think it is too soon to force a border referendum on the population of the North.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
The RIC commemoration furore!
I personally see both sides but think if this country is ever to move on and seriously envisages a resolution with the six counties, then something will need to be done to include our complete history. I can see how having the names of all who have fallen in what essentially is a republican memorial in Glasnevin Cemetery would be controversial still with large elements of the population here particularly if it is to include the B&Ts and the B-Specials.

Still very emotive 100 years on. You can see why I think it is too soon to force a border referendum on the population of the North.
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Its an interesting one...and i totally understand the reasons for wanting it stopped/cancelled. However i think if you look at the context of whats happening (decade of centenaries) and what Varadkar said, its about recognising "our" history....it isnt (meant) to be about celebrating the Black and Tans, more about recognising they existed...where we are now...and what may come in the near future (unification). In the North we are a good example of how we must recognise all sides of what has happened before.....its clearly different in the Republic in that its not a 50/50 split....but if we as the island of Ireland are to move towards a potential reunification or at least to seriously consider it, then people in RoI need to become a bit more open to recognising and accepting those parts of history they dont like


Hope that makes sense!
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Its an interesting one...and i totally understand the reasons for wanting it stopped/cancelled. However i think if you look at the context of whats happening (decade of centenaries) and what Varadkar said, its about recognising "our" history....it isnt (meant) to be about celebrating the Black and Tans, more about recognising they existed...where we are now...and what may come in the near future (unification). In the North we are a good example of how we must recognise all sides of what has happened before.....its clearly different in the Republic in that its not a 50/50 split....but if we as the island of Ireland are to move towards a potential reunification or at least to seriously consider it, then people in RoI need to become a bit more open to recognising and accepting those parts of history they dont like


Hope that makes sense!
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It does make sense Alex and it was very noticeable in the phrasing of Varadkar, I thought, although I admit I came to this late and might have missed how it started.
I do think Fine Gael were thinking very much about an All Ireland style commemoration and I don't know anyone personally who would have a problem with it.
I think the Memorial wall in Glasnevin is on a Republican owned plot as far as I'm aware and I can see where it would cause problems, listing names there. There should be somewhere available to do something appropriate on site though as there is an fabulous interpretive centre built there now and it would be the ideal place to tell the complete story.
Nothing wrong with commemorating the RIC history itself. I definitely think that is the way forward. Haven't a clue personally, how this Island will ever reconcile itself with over 400 years of a past never mind the last 100, which was what I would consider a terrible British solution to an Irish problem of their own making. Think of mcfc1632 now and his assessment of the villainous backstop that could never be tolerated.
Well worse was forced upon an Irish delegation back then and a civil war ensued as a result.

There has to be an answer going forward and I dearly hope to see a solution in my time that embraces and respects everyone's history on this island.
if not in my time then I would hate to see things get worse for the next generation and let them maybe have it in their time after I'm gone.
 
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