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AlgarveBlu
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Anyone help me out with a few bugging questions more on N.I -
- During the referendum campaign why did the DUP back leave when it surely would have been gamed out that there could be problems with the GFA/border structures and a unique structure for NI re customs was a possible outcome. I have always understood that the union was far more important then brexit so why take the risk and not keep the status quo? Did the UUP also back leave?
- I was surprised that the majority to leave was as high as it was - what had the unionist voters been 'promised' as an incentive for leaving the eu? was it just a simple calculation that they would be further away from Dublin?
- Now that Sinn Fein have endorsed this new deal that naturally tells me it's a potential pathway to a future border poll/closer integration with the south which tells me that this must be the biggest set of own goals by the dup since the Dunny monster went on his world record breaking streak. Will this backfire in the next elections to a shift back to UUP?
- If there is a referendum with this deal and remain does this then put N.I. strongly in the Borris deal? Seems like there is the potential for some huge potential for NI with this agreement which could see it hold a unique status in Europe/UK moving forward
- During the referendum campaign why did the DUP back leave when it surely would have been gamed out that there could be problems with the GFA/border structures and a unique structure for NI re customs was a possible outcome. I have always understood that the union was far more important then brexit so why take the risk and not keep the status quo? Did the UUP also back leave?
- I was surprised that the majority to leave was as high as it was - what had the unionist voters been 'promised' as an incentive for leaving the eu? was it just a simple calculation that they would be further away from Dublin?
- Now that Sinn Fein have endorsed this new deal that naturally tells me it's a potential pathway to a future border poll/closer integration with the south which tells me that this must be the biggest set of own goals by the dup since the Dunny monster went on his world record breaking streak. Will this backfire in the next elections to a shift back to UUP?
- If there is a referendum with this deal and remain does this then put N.I. strongly in the Borris deal? Seems like there is the potential for some huge potential for NI with this agreement which could see it hold a unique status in Europe/UK moving forward
aguero93:20
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NI didn't have a majority to leave and it's silly to assume that the minority leave vote there was a unionist vote.Anyone help me out with a few bugging questions more on N.I -
- During the referendum campaign why did the DUP back leave when it surely would have been gamed out that there could be problems with the GFA/border structures and a unique structure for NI re customs was a possible outcome. I have always understood that the union was far more important then brexit so why take the risk and not keep the status quo? Did the UUP also back leave?
- I was surprised that the majority to leave was as high as it was - what had the unionist voters been 'promised' as an incentive for leaving the eu? was it just a simple calculation that they would be further away from Dublin?
- Now that Sinn Fein have endorsed this new deal that naturally tells me it's a potential pathway to a future border poll/closer integration with the south which tells me that this must be the biggest set of own goals by the dup since the Dunny monster went on his world record breaking streak. Will this backfire in the next elections to a shift back to UUP?
- If there is a referendum with this deal and remain does this then put N.I. strongly in the Borris deal? Seems like there is the potential for some huge potential for NI with this agreement which could see it hold a unique status in Europe/UK moving forward
AlgarveBlu
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NI didn't have a majority to leave and it's silly to assume that the minority leave vote there was a unionist vote.
Sorry that should of read remain - so there was a significant nationalist vote to leave as well? I find that surprising based on basic logic, but as I said there are many aspects of the dynamics at play I don’t understand in NI
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I know plenty of nationalists in NI that voted to leave, some as isolationist or self deterministic voters and some from mischief. Sinn Fein were anti EU up until the day they realised it was restricting them to less than 10% of the vote in the republic.Sorry that should of read remain - so there was a significant nationalist vote to leave as well? I find that surprising based on basic logic, but as I said there are many aspects of the dynamics at play I don’t understand in NI
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Maybe it is time to offer a reunification referendum in ulster.
If the vote is in favour then put it to parliament and if passed, the UK does it's duty and relinquish our claim of territorial ownership.
It is probably impossible to do as trouble would return more likely.
If the vote is in favour then put it to parliament and if passed, the UK does it's duty and relinquish our claim of territorial ownership.
It is probably impossible to do as trouble would return more likely.
mexico1970
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Maybe it is time to offer a reunification referendum in ulster.
If the vote is in favour then put it to parliament and if passed, the UK does it's duty and relinquish our claim of territorial ownership.
It is probably impossible to do as trouble would return more likely.
The question should be put to them whatever the outcome and it should be honoured. In this instance trouble is coming whatever the govt does.
jay_mcfc
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Just watched all of the episodes of the BBC's latest documentary Spotlight On The Troubles.
I really just have one question - why?
We all know that no one comes out of it well. We all know that horrendous atrocities killed and maimed innocent people and that hundreds if not thousands of people should be in a cell that they never leave. But what does digging it all up achieve? The GFA has always been fragile, now more so than ever. The passing of time and generations passing is the best chance of prolonged peace so I'm not sure what they're trying to achieve?
I really just have one question - why?
We all know that no one comes out of it well. We all know that horrendous atrocities killed and maimed innocent people and that hundreds if not thousands of people should be in a cell that they never leave. But what does digging it all up achieve? The GFA has always been fragile, now more so than ever. The passing of time and generations passing is the best chance of prolonged peace so I'm not sure what they're trying to achieve?
urban genie
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Just watched all of the episodes of the BBC's latest documentary Spotlight On The Troubles.
I really just have one question - why?
We all know that no one comes out of it well. We all know that horrendous atrocities killed and maimed innocent people and that hundreds if not thousands of people should be in a cell that they never leave. But what does digging it all up achieve? The GFA has always been fragile, now more so than ever. The passing of time and generations passing is the best chance of prolonged peace so I'm not sure what they're trying to achieve?
Because it is part of our shared history and also gave some great insight.
We don't have enough programimg on anymore that talks about our history (except on bbc4).
There are plenty of subjects I wpuld like to see similar series of documentries about to inform and educate others who were not around/ aware of the stories.