Irish Current Affairs

[LGWIO]

Well to be fair that answer is simple, 40% of rapists are foreign born, in NI they are less than 4% of the population.

Lad at the local said it before: ''We already have our own rapists, we don't need to be importing more''

I’ll just add I’m talking about the people protesting not the ones burning down leisure centres, there’s a right and a wrong way to do things, harming your own community infrastructure is not it.

I see a problem with the way you are phrasing that.
Yes there is a right and a wrong way in doing things, but in this instance there is nothing right about either the protesting or the burning.

In this instance you could say it is very similar to the Bulger case. Two young boys carrying out an appalling act. One that no right minded person could countenance. Their nationality is of no importance. There wasn't rioting on the streets in that instance. Or because the guy who drove into the crowd on Water Street was white (and quickly announced as such) there wasnt rioting that day.

Its also a case of the headline figure you quote needs clarification. Of that 40%, how many would be settled here, as in permanent residents? How many would be ex asylum seekers (the section that causes the knee jerk reactions)? How many are visitors or only temp resident? Without looking at those details you cannot really say whether there is a need to protest anything.

Or are we going to simply say, because 40% of rapists are foreign we are going to close our borders and not allow any "jonny foreigner" in....... And that is without even going down the line of thinking Is that British rapists committing crimes on "the island of Ireland" or Irish rapists doing so in the UK!!!

Bottom line as I see it in this instance is that there is nothing to protest about apart from lamenting why anyone would commit any violent act.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

There's a bigger picture here. It's not just about the mindless thugs who like violence and disorder. They'll get their comeuppance... But Immigration, integration, globalisation doesn't seem to be working wherever we look. Theres so much more racism about nowadays it feels like.

It's all a very sad outlook compared with the days of Sweden and Germany giving the displaced of the world a home.

 

[aminegriffy1]

Some people here are making justification of the people who went full KKK Alabama style and started hunting down non white people is disgusting. I'm glad I don't live in that shithole, and if I were I'd get the fck out ASAP. It's obviously its not a safe place if you are non white. We all laugh at the Yanks, but racism in Europe and the UK is getting worse and worse that it almost feels like its the 40s deep South style racism.

 

[hilts]

Well to be fair that answer is simple, 40% of rapists are foreign born, in NI they are less than 4% of the population.

Lad at the local said it before: ''We already have our own rapists, we don't need to be importing more''

I’ll just add I’m talking about the people protesting not the ones burning down leisure centres, there’s a right and a wrong way to do things, harming your own community infrastructure is not it.

40%?

 

[ob]

I've been following this very closely as from the area and also a good friend has been going through a court case re her daughter and ex partner. She has rightly called out the rioters and asked where we're they when the incident happened with her daughter and ex.

Some locals still happy to have pint with the accused (not alleged as he's been found guilty), happy to play golf with him.

Her and various others calling our rioters saying feel less safe for them and their daughters last few nights than they did previously. One friend had to go collect his sister who felt unsafe a few yards from where they blocked the railway line in Coleraine

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Well to be fair that answer is simple, 40% of rapists are foreign born, in NI they are less than 4% of the population.

Lad at the local said it before: ''We already have our own rapists, we don't need to be importing more''

I’ll just add I’m talking about the people protesting not the ones burning down leisure centres, there’s a right and a wrong way to do things, harming your own community infrastructure is not it.

I don’t know where the 40% figure comes from, I can only tell you that we have the same problem down South.
As you probably have gathered by now I work in the courts down here and if we’re throwing unverifiable stats out, I’d say a rough estimate of what is dealt with in the CCJ (Criminal Courts of Justice) on a weekly basis is circa 80% being of a sexual abusive nature.
Put it this way, it’s the most pervasive theme.
We have had a few high profile cases recently and there is one in deliberation currently that the media will be all over, that involves foreign nationals.

But the last one I was on, involving a guy from Clontarf, got no interest in the media.
That’s the norm. And the bulk of what we deal with involves un-newsworthy locals.

I have a permanent protest with a 24 hour vigil guarding a vacant site up at the old Tayto factory in Coolock, just up the road from me.
This is locals concerned by having refugees being built for on their doorstep.
I won’t judge on what their concerns are, but every now and then there numbers are stoked for visible protest and you just know that there is outside backing whipping up unrest. It happened in O’Connell Street in the city centre recently.
This is happening in Britain too and all over Europe The seeds of unrest are being sowed and the easy target of all immigrants being tarred as the problem rather than identifying the systemic flaw that usually covers all citizens, is being encouraged.

I don’t claim to have the answer. I don’t. It’s clear there is a problem but the unrest is being fuelled by a crowd or crowds I would have no trust in, whatsoever.

It is not uncommon to find criminality behind much of the agitation.

 

[tweety]

Some people here are making justification of the people who went full KKK Alabama style and started hunting down non white people is disgusting. I'm glad I don't live in that shithole, and if I were I'd get the fck out ASAP. It's obviously its not a safe place if you are non white. We all laugh at the Yanks, but racism in Europe and the UK is getting worse and worse that it almost feels like its the 40s deep South style racism.

Unfortunately it's the way of some people to act like scum and that will probably never change.
However why should the citizens of the UK and Europe be happy when millions of immigrants, legal and illegal have been allowed to enter their countries. I can't ever remember a politicial party's manifesto ever say we should embrace the third world and allow anyone in. People are pissed off, it's a hard life for many here, people feel disenfranchised yet see the red carpet being put out for immigrants some of which don't give a shit about our way of life and culture. I have no interest in the UK sorting the problems of the third world.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Unfortunately it's the way of some people to act like scum and that will probably never change.
However why should the citizens of the UK and Europe be happy when millions of immigrants, legal and illegal have been allowed to enter their countries. I can't ever remember a politicial party's manifesto ever say we should embrace the third world and allow anyone in. People are pissed off, it's a hard life for many here, people feel disenfranchised yet see the red carpet being put out for immigrants some of which don't give a shit about our way of life and culture. I have no interest in the UK sorting the problems of the third world.

You’re dead right.
Wait, sorry are you describing the current immigration problem into your country or the colonial raping of half the world in the last couple of centuries. It’s confusing. It sounds pretty much the same from your description.

Someone earlier wrote about the irony of an Irish public complaining about immigration.

I’d argue there’s enough irony in your post to cover the whole board.

 

[Marklr]

I see a problem with the way you are phrasing that.
Yes there is a right and a wrong way in doing things, but in this instance there is nothing right about either the protesting or the burning.

In this instance you could say it is very similar to the Bulger case. Two young boys carrying out an appalling act. One that no right minded person could countenance. Their nationality is of no importance. There wasn't rioting on the streets in that instance. Or because the guy who drove into the crowd on Water Street was white (and quickly announced as such) there wasnt rioting that day.

Its also a case of the headline figure you quote needs clarification. Of that 40%, how many would be settled here, as in permanent residents? How many would be ex asylum seekers (the section that causes the knee jerk reactions)? How many are visitors or only temp resident? Without looking at those details you cannot really say whether there is a need to protest anything.

Or are we going to simply say, because 40% of rapists are foreign we are going to close our borders and not allow any "jonny foreigner" in....... And that is without even going down the line of thinking Is that British rapists committing crimes on "the island of Ireland" or Irish rapists doing so in the UK!!!

Bottom line as I see it in this instance is that there is nothing to protest about apart from lamenting why anyone would commit any violent act.

BAN ALL MEN!!!

 

[Marklr]

Unfortunately it's the way of some people to act like scum and that will probably never change.
However why should the citizens of the UK and Europe be happy when millions of immigrants, legal and illegal have been allowed to enter their countries. I can't ever remember a politicial party's manifesto ever say we should embrace the third world and allow anyone in. People are pissed off, it's a hard life for many here, people feel disenfranchised yet see the red carpet being put out for immigrants some of which don't give a shit about our way of life and culture. I have no interest in the UK sorting the problems of the third world.

Fuck the people that are pissed off. You're not stopping immigration...it will increase. Human nature . So the moaners should start getting used to it. What are they maoning about?

 

[BobKowalski]

Unfortunately it's the way of some people to act like scum and that will probably never change.
However why should the citizens of the UK and Europe be happy when millions of immigrants, legal and illegal have been allowed to enter their countries. I can't ever remember a politicial party's manifesto ever say we should embrace the third world and allow anyone in. People are pissed off, it's a hard life for many here, people feel disenfranchised yet see the red carpet being put out for immigrants some of which don't give a shit about our way of life and culture. I have no interest in the UK sorting the problems of the third world.

I’m not convinced asylum seekers packed into dinghies bobbing along the English Channel would say they were being given the red carpet treatment. Maybe a day of two in a dinghy would rebalance your perspective on life.

 

[hampshireblue]

Unfortunately it's the way of some people to act like scum and that will probably never change.
However why should the citizens of the UK and Europe be happy when millions of immigrants, legal and illegal have been allowed to enter their countries. I can't ever remember a politicial party's manifesto ever say we should embrace the third world and allow anyone in. People are pissed off, it's a hard life for many here, people feel disenfranchised yet see the red carpet being put out for immigrants some of which don't give a shit about our way of life and culture. I have no interest in the UK sorting the problems of the third world.

Reading between the lines you don't want any immigration at all?

 

[WT86]

https://www.vox.com/2015/3/18/8237299/irish-crime-1850s

I won't get into the following ~100 years of organized crime, political corruption, police corruption over here, or the obvious complexities, but let's be serious for a second before demonizing other cultures.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

https://www.vox.com/2015/3/18/8237299/irish-crime-1850s

I won't get into the following ~100 years of organized crime, political corruption, police corruption over here, or the obvious complexities, but let's be serious for a second before demonizing other cultures.

Integration is a problem, particularly now with a great number coming, lacking communicational skills through English and having totally different religious or cultural practices to the communities they are trying to infiltrate.
They stick to their own. It’s natural human self preservation, but maybe there is an answer governmentally and policy-wise, having greater local control and assurances and participational requirements being mandatory. I don’t honestly know what the answer is.

Look at the article you posted though. Look at the year. What was the reason for the huge influx of Irish in 1850.
Much of that exodus was native Irish speaking people who were fleeing a famine.
A famine that was largely ignored by the governing entity in the country due to Travelyan economics.

They fled starvation with no possessions and in a lot of cases, very little English.

Has the world changed much in 175 years?

 

[WT86]

Yes. Like most in America when my family left Ireland and Scotland it was from a pressing need to provide for themselves and their families caused largely by forces outside their control, the same as today's immigrants. Hated and portrayed as lazy, criminals etc. just the same, but people have short memories when it suits them. Drives me up the wall.

 

[ob]

52 years ago today, aged 11, my first introduction to the troubles as bomb exploded in Coleraine town centre killing 6 old age pensioners. I was in school and we looked out window to see 2nd bomb go off at other end of high street. Basically was slight delay on 2nd going off in the hope all people would be directed towards it.

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

So is the rioting gonna get worse??

Two women arrested for alleged sexual assault on child at NI hospital
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/...rested-alleged-sexual-31844741?utm_source=app

 

[tweety]

Reading between the lines you don't want any immigration at all?

Never really felt there was a problem until recently, it's the massive numbers coming to an already overcrowded country that's struggling to give it's own citizens a good quality of life. Btw, I've been married to an immigrant for the last 35 years and she feels the same.

 

[mackenzie]

Integration is a problem, particularly now with a great number coming, lacking communicational skills through English and having totally different religious or cultural practices to the communities they are trying to infiltrate.
They stick to their own. It’s natural human self preservation, but maybe there is an answer governmentally and policy-wise, having greater local control and assurances and participational requirements being mandatory. I don’t honestly know what the answer is.

Look at the article you posted though. Look at the year. What was the reason for the huge influx of Irish in 1850.
Much of that exodus was native Irish speaking people who were fleeing a famine.
A famine that was largely ignored by the governing entity in the country due to Travelyan economics.

They fled starvation with no possessions and in a lot of cases, very little English.

Has the world changed much in 175 years?

I really like this post. You are correct in so many ways.

However, the Irish that left went (mainly) to big cities in countries so much bigger than Ireland.
Its not comparable with what is happening in Ireland today.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Never really felt there was a problem until recently, it's the massive numbers coming to an already overcrowded country that's struggling to give it's own citizens a good quality of life. Btw, I've been married to an immigrant for the last 35 years and she feels the same.

already overcrowded ? In the 1840's it had a population of 8.2m - its currently 6.8m. So how could an Island that coped with a population of over 8m be overcrowded with a population sub 7m?