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[aguero93:20]

The courts and the justice system, for good or ill, mete out the punishment to the guilty

are you saying they should be punished for evermore, or does it depend on whether you, or someone else, feels the crime is different to another crime?

They don't receive long enough sentences tbh which doesn't help, but victims of rape and murder have to live with the consequences of the crime for the rest of their lives, the offender shouldn't be able to walk away with a clean slate.

so in your world you decide the tariffs for punishment and they should never be allowed to pay their debt and carry on with their lives

seems fair doesn't it

We're not going to agree on this are we? :)
Look, I abhor both crimes, one of my best friends was murdered 9 years ago and the **** that did it is out, walking free and lives round the corner from me and his mother and we both have to live with it.
Is that fair on us?

 

[squirtyflower]

They don't receive long enough sentences tbh which doesn't help, but victims of rape and murder have to live with the consequences of the crime for the rest of their lives, the offender shouldn't be able to walk away with a clean slate.

so in your world you decide the tariffs for punishment and they should never be allowed to pay their debt and carry on with their lives

seems fair doesn't it

We're not going to agree on this are we? :)
Look, I abhor both crimes, one of my best friends was murdered 9 years ago and the **** that did it is out, walking free and lives round the corner from me and his mother and we both have to live with it.
Is that fair on us?

no it's not and if i were in charge i would change it, but i'm not so i can't

but what Evans did, although this isn't the thread, is far from murder

i've interviewed plenty of people for jobs and then later, after a background check, they have been found to have criminal records
should i then just sack them, withdraw the offer of the job?

 

[aguero93:20]

so in your world you decide the tariffs for punishment and they should never be allowed to pay their debt and carry on with their lives

seems fair doesn't it

We're not going to agree on this are we? :)
Look, I abhor both crimes, one of my best friends was murdered 9 years ago and the **** that did it is out, walking free and lives round the corner from me and his mother and we both have to live with it.
Is that fair on us?

no it's not and if i were in charge i would change it, but i'm not so i can't

but what Evans did, although this isn't the thread, is far from murder

i've interviewed plenty of people for jobs and then later, after a background check, they have been found to have criminal records
should i then just sack them, withdraw the offer of the job?

Same boat myself mate, I'm putting together my own office in work, I wouldn't hire them. Rape isn't any different from murder in my book in terms of how bad the crime is.
As I said, we're not going to agree on this so we should leave it.

 

[squirtyflower]

We're not going to agree on this are we? :)
Look, I abhor both crimes, one of my best friends was murdered 9 years ago and the **** that did it is out, walking free and lives round the corner from me and his mother and we both have to live with it.
Is that fair on us?

no it's not and if i were in charge i would change it, but i'm not so i can't

but what Evans did, although this isn't the thread, is far from murder

i've interviewed plenty of people for jobs and then later, after a background check, they have been found to have criminal records
should i then just sack them, withdraw the offer of the job?

Same boat myself mate, I'm putting together my own office in work, I wouldn't hire them. Rape isn't any different from murder in my book in terms of how bad the crime is.
As I said, we're not going to agree on this so we should leave it.

fair enough but i'll leave you with one

he was 27 years old and looking for a promotion to us
his background check revealed 'criminal damage'
when quizzed he had thrown a stone at an old run down factory that had been empty for years, and got done, aged 16
should he get the job with his record?

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

I have a police record I will forever be embarrassed about...............







































































De do do do, de da da da

 

[aguero93:20]

no it's not and if i were in charge i would change it, but i'm not so i can't

but what Evans did, although this isn't the thread, is far from murder

i've interviewed plenty of people for jobs and then later, after a background check, they have been found to have criminal records
should i then just sack them, withdraw the offer of the job?

Same boat myself mate, I'm putting together my own office in work, I wouldn't hire them. Rape isn't any different from murder in my book in terms of how bad the crime is.
As I said, we're not going to agree on this so we should leave it.

fair enough but i'll leave you with one

he was 27 years old and looking for a promotion to us
his background check revealed 'criminal damage'
when quizzed he had thrown a stone at an old run down factory that had been empty for years, and got done, aged 16
should he get the job with his record?

Absolutely, no problem, it's not rape or murder. As long as he deserves to get the position.

 

[mcmanus]

Like loads of lads I've ended in up the cell for drunk and disorderly, mainly when i cannot stop laughing. I honestly do not have the ability to give over giggling. I'm not a bad lad and have never done anyone any harm but had my name in the paper twice.

For a proper answer Fetters I think will know about this more than most.

For what its worth freed rapists and murderers have a close eye put on them.

 

[squirtyflower]

Same boat myself mate, I'm putting together my own office in work, I wouldn't hire them. Rape isn't any different from murder in my book in terms of how bad the crime is.
As I said, we're not going to agree on this so we should leave it.

fair enough but i'll leave you with one

he was 27 years old and looking for a promotion to us
his background check revealed 'criminal damage'
when quizzed he had thrown a stone at an old run down factory that had been empty for years, and got done, aged 16
should he get the job with his record?

Absolutely, no problem, it's not rape or murder. As long as he deserves to get the position.

believe it or not i knew an 18 year old girl who lost her job as a teaching assistant when the school found out that she had a caution.
she got the caution when she was 13 for a fight with a lad at school. The lad's mum just wouldn't drop it and was annoyed when the school had done what it was going to do. So she went on and on at the police who then cautioned both of the kids!
It lost her her job.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

We're not going to agree on this are we? :)
Look, I abhor both crimes, one of my best friends was murdered 9 years ago and the **** that did it is out, walking free and lives round the corner from me and his mother and we both have to live with it.
Is that fair on us?

no it's not and if i were in charge i would change it, but i'm not so i can't

but what Evans did, although this isn't the thread, is far from murder

i've interviewed plenty of people for jobs and then later, after a background check, they have been found to have criminal records
should i then just sack them, withdraw the offer of the job?

Same boat myself mate, I'm putting together my own office in work, I wouldn't hire them. Rape isn't any different from murder in my book in terms of how bad the crime is.
As I said, we're not going to agree on this so we should leave it.

it's not really though, is it? nothing compares to murder.

 

[Bill Walker]

fair enough but i'll leave you with one

he was 27 years old and looking for a promotion to us
his background check revealed 'criminal damage'
when quizzed he had thrown a stone at an old run down factory that had been empty for years, and got done, aged 16
should he get the job with his record?

Absolutely, no problem, it's not rape or murder. As long as he deserves to get the position.

believe it or not i knew an 18 year old girl who lost her job as a teaching assistant when the school found out that she had a caution.
she got the caution when she was 13 for a fight with a lad at school. The lad's mum just wouldn't drop it and was annoyed when the school had done what it was going to do. So she went on and on at the police who then cautioned both of the kids!
It lost her her job.

maybe if she'd been honest about it in the first place she would still have her job ?