Is a Person...

[bernabias home shirt]

fair enough but i'll leave you with one

he was 27 years old and looking for a promotion to us
his background check revealed 'criminal damage'
when quizzed he had thrown a stone at an old run down factory that had been empty for years, and got done, aged 16
should he get the job with his record?

Absolutely, no problem, it's not rape or murder. As long as he deserves to get the position.

believe it or not i knew an 18 year old girl who lost her job as a teaching assistant when the school found out that she had a caution.
she got the caution when she was 13 for a fight with a lad at school. The lad's mum just wouldn't drop it and was annoyed when the school had done what it was going to do. So she went on and on at the police who then cautioned both of the kids!
It lost her her job.

Pretty harsh that mate on the girl
If she had put the caution down on her application form & explained the situation when she was younger would she have been given the job?

 

[sir baconface]

If I was interviewing for a job it would totally depend on the crime. If they had been honest and told me at application stage that they had a conviction for lets say being drunk and disorderly when they were a teenager then no wouldn't bother me and they would get the job if they were good enough. However if someone had committed murder then no the application would be straight in the bin. I would have to carefully consider theft or any crimes for dishonesty too but if they nicked a bar of chocolate from tesco 5 years ago again this wouldn't bother me but if they had a string of convictions for housebreaking then no I wouldn't want them working for me.


To sum up it very much depends on the nature of the crime but for the more serious crimes such as murder, no wouldn't consider them

Agree with this. It has to depend on the type, severity and recency of the crime. If the candidate's been open, and the offence was relatively minor and not relevant to the job, I would be happy to take them on.

 

[Bill Walker]

If I was interviewing for a job it would totally depend on the crime. If they had been honest and told me at application stage that they had a conviction for lets say being drunk and disorderly when they were a teenager then no wouldn't bother me and they would get the job if they were good enough. However if someone had committed murder then no the application would be straight in the bin. I would have to carefully consider theft or any crimes for dishonesty too but if they nicked a bar of chocolate from tesco 5 years ago again this wouldn't bother me but if they had a string of convictions for housebreaking then no I wouldn't want them working for me.


To sum up it very much depends on the nature of the crime but for the more serious crimes such as murder, no wouldn't consider them

totally agree bbb and if I found out they had hidden or lied about ANY type of Police caution or record on their application theyd be out, honesty is paramount

 

[117 M34]

so in your world you decide the tariffs for punishment and they should never be allowed to pay their debt and carry on with their lives

seems fair doesn't it

We're not going to agree on this are we? :)
Look, I abhor both crimes, one of my best friends was murdered 9 years ago and the c**t that did it is out, walking free and lives round the corner from me and his mother and we both have to live with it.
Is that fair on us?

no it's not and if i were in charge i would change it, but i'm not so i can't

but what Evans did, although this isn't the thread, is far from murder

i've interviewed plenty of people for jobs and then later, after a background check, they have been found to have criminal records
should i then just sack them, withdraw the offer of the job?

I got a temp job years ago. On the application form there was no space to say about convictions (the only LEA in the Manchester area that doesn't) so I didn't mention it. Anyway, when my CRB came back with being drunk entering a football ground - not even drunk and disorderly, I got hauled in to the office on the 1st day and got a proper bollocking for not telling them about it earlier and I should have told them about it at interview. They never liked me after that and I never was offered a permanent job.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

...who has served his time and not re-offended, a criminal, or an ex-criminal?

I suppose this brings us round to the rehabilitation debate again, but I guess it comes down to crimes which are a conclusive action, a physical event, that begins and ends, and whether the person who commits that should be viewed continually as a criminal because they once committed that action, and haven't since, or whether they should be viewed as someone who committed a crime, has done their time, and should now be viewed as an ex-criminal, and therefore treated as an everyday person?

That's some good weed there bro!!!!

 

[squirtyflower]

Absolutely, no problem, it's not rape or murder. As long as he deserves to get the position.

believe it or not i knew an 18 year old girl who lost her job as a teaching assistant when the school found out that she had a caution.
she got the caution when she was 13 for a fight with a lad at school. The lad's mum just wouldn't drop it and was annoyed when the school had done what it was going to do. So she went on and on at the police who then cautioned both of the kids!
It lost her her job.

Pretty harsh that mate on the girl
If she had put the caution down on her application form & explained the situation when she was younger would she have been given the job?

I consider it to be very harsh and, unfortunately, the way some people react

She never put it on anything as she didn't think a caution was a 'criminal conviction' as the police persuaded her to take it so that the other mum would just drop the case and leave them in peace

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Im a criminal.

4 convictions

I should have been hung drawn and quatered

Hanged, Rascal, unless yer an oil-painting!

 

[squirtyflower]

Im a criminal.

4 convictions

I should have been hung drawn and quatered

Hanged, Rascal, unless yer an oil-painting!

We'd have to ask one of the girl posters

 

[Rascal]

Im a criminal.

4 convictions

I should have been hung drawn and quatered

Hanged, Rascal, unless yer an oil-painting!

We'd have to ask one of the girl posters

Im a proper handsome fecker me.

Honest Guv