Is football corrupt?

[mancity1]

The reluctance of Platini and co to look into using technology to ensure fair play, and the use of two extra officials behind the goals, seems to reinforce the corruption allegations. Why would'nt you want to consider any idea that could make the referees job easier, perhaps because it would highlight cheating on a massive scale.
I believe the game is bent.
I believe there is an "agenda" against city, and nothing will change my opinion on that.

It's not Platini's call - it's outside of his jurisdiction.

VT will actually increase the level of cheating.

Care to divulge your empirical or even any anecdotal evidence to support your last statement CBlue.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

I never used to be in the agenda camp but I am certainly more 60/40 that there is corruption to keep the status quo as it is.

See Rooney penalty and See Mario penalty which wasn't given. First time I have EVER seen a fifth official get involved.

Very very frustrated but suppose we just gotta get on with it.

 

[mick10]

I never used to be in the agenda camp but I am certainly more 60/40 that there is corruption to keep the status quo as it is.

See Rooney penalty and See Mario penalty which wasn't given. First time I have EVER seen a fifth official get involved.

Very very frustrated but suppose we just gotta get on with it.

Exactly what I was ranting about this morning getting ready for work,much to the dismay of the family,the dog and I dare say the T.V. if it could understand.
The ref was giving nothing and waited an age before 'the bloke' behind the goal gave him the nod! Thought the defender actually won the ball!!

 

[Plain Speaking]

Would this include stopping the game for Yaya's penalty yesterday? If not, why not. If so, what will happen is that the game will be stopped everytime there is a challenge in the box & a player claims a penalty. Also, every decision, however minor, significantly affects the outcome of a match (corner given which should have been a goal kick - they score on the resultant corner...)

I would envisage the referee would have the ability to call for a second opinion/review if he is uncertain for a major call.
With players going down in the area under a challenge usually it is either a dive/simulation (free kick/yellow card?) or a foul (penalty). In some circumstances he may decide to play on?
Perhaps a team manager or captain could also challenge a "match changing decision"?
I am not suggesting VR would create a "perfect world" without any corruption or mistakes but I am convinced it would lead to more fairer decisions/ match outcomes.
I can think of a number of penalties/goal decisions given against us recently that would likely have been over ruled on review.

How would they do that? Would the ref have to stop play as soon as a challenge is made? If not, when does he stop play to review the challenge? If play continues before the first challenge is reviewed are you allowed additional challenges? How long after an incident can a challenge be made?

Off the top of my head, there is usually once in a match when a football manager jumps up and vehemently remonstrates with the fourth official over a perceived "unjust" decision. Perhaps each manager is allowed to appeal say once for a match changing decision. On that occasion, (say a penalty appeal?), the game is stopped and the incident is reviewed. Restart would be either penalty, free kick or if no offense perhaps a bounce ball. If the managers appeal is successful he might retain his right to appeal once more. I would say I would envisage the VR being primarily used by match referees themselves, say to confirm whether a goal was in fact onside or a player had not handballed to control when scoring or to confirm whether a player had been attacked off the ball.
Since the reviews are usually viewed by the public I really cant see the VR being an excuse for further corruption.
(Edit: When Zidane got sent off for his headbutt in the WC final this was such a system in practice!)

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

The reluctance of Platini and co to look into using technology to ensure fair play, and the use of two extra officials behind the goals, seems to reinforce the corruption allegations. Why would'nt you want to consider any idea that could make the referees job easier, perhaps because it would highlight cheating on a massive scale.
I believe the game is bent.
I believe there is an "agenda" against city, and nothing will change my opinion on that.

It's not Platini's call - it's outside of his jurisdiction.

VT will actually increase the level of cheating.

If someone happens to find a spare will to live lying around,could they please pm it to me,as I have just lost mine reading the above post.

 

[Manchester33]

I think referees aren't as bent as we make out, I just think a lot of the have no bottle in terms of giving controversial decision, even of they are correct, such as the penalty incident the other night, he wasn't 100% sure, his assistant had no bottle so the easy option was to let the game finish 2-2.

The ways FIFA is corrupt however, factors such as FFP is a very pathetic idea to enforce. It makes it incredibly hard for small teams, let's say Wigan, to ever achieve anything more than relegation battlers ever year! Whereas united who benefitted from the sky take over of the premier league who have the biggest fan bases to maintain there position at the top of the league because they are more financially secure. Makes sense?

No.

United are still millions in debt, what they earn in a season like last year couldn't pay off there debt, however they can still spend £100m a year because that's what they take in?
City have no debt, we have an owner who will never be in debt and can spend £100m like it was a penny. But because we don't bring in as much turnover as united we can't spend it? Surely it would make more sense to enforce a transfer embargo on clubs like united until debt is paid off?

The reason FIFA have elected not to do this is because the big clubs I.e. bayern, united, Madrid, barcalona etc are the clubs that attract the big audiences meaning FIFA earn more in advertising. If FIFA can crush any attempt at smaller clubs winning things they will keep the masses interested and continue there corruption.


Anyone who thinks they aren't corrupt is blind, look at the world cup bids? Two oil rich countries with billionaires in there hundreds who will slip a few million to the committee members who vote for them?


Rant over!

 

[cyprustavern]

Yes , yes it is.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Has anyone blamed Thatcher yet?

If not, I blame Thatcher.

IN ONE!

 

[Balti]

Subject: Is football corrupt?


You have made some interesting points. It is hard to ensure there is never going to be corruption when there are potentially multiple people, (principally officials and players) that can be influenced by corruption.
If we limit the discussion to officials' decisions, very often it is hard to distinguish between corruption and genuine human mistakes. Even if officials were corrupt, (or perhaps subconsciously biased?) they would still want to appear fair and impartial so as to preserve their reputation and future.
IMO allowing a referee to call for VR for only uncertain events that are likely to "significantly effect the outcome of a match", (ie penalties, goals or sendings off), will increase the likelihood of the right decision being given.The stopping of the game would be minimal.

Almost all people involved in the sport just want to see the fair and just decisions given.
I remember when I was a boy watching rugby without VR and there were many matches decided on mistaken officials decisions. That sport has been transformed for the better with VR.
I hope some day the football authorities will finally see the light and introduce VR to football so that justice can prevail.

Would this include stopping the game for Yaya's penalty yesterday? If not, why not. If so, what will happen is that the game will be stopped everytime there is a challenge in the box & a player claims a penalty. Also, every decision, however minor, significantly affects the outcome of a match (corner given which should have been a goal kick - they score on the resultant corner...)

I would envisage the referee would have the ability to call for a second opinion/review if he is uncertain for a major call.
With players going down in the area under a challenge usually it is either a dive/simulation (free kick/yellow card?) or a foul (penalty). In some circumstances he may decide to play on?
Perhaps a team manager or captain could also challenge a "match changing decision"?
I am not suggesting VR would create a "perfect world" without any corruption or mistakes but I am convinced it would lead to more fairer decisions/ match outcomes.
I can think of a number of penalties/goal decisions given against us recently that would likely have been over ruled on review.

I'd have the VR with the 4th official or some new panel. This would sit there in the background and only change the fundamentally bad/ incorrect match affecting decisions. i.e the ones that will get discussed on motd later on. Did it cross the line? Was it a clear penalty? Should wooney have been sent off? etc. Not every decision but those that affect the game outright where VR shows the official got it badly wrong. That everyone knows he got wrong 15 seconds later courtesy of $ky.

This would still leave room for discretion and subsequent discussion and debate while removing the vast majority of complete and utter refereeing fuck ups from the game.

This would slow the game down no more than the players surrounding the referee do at the moment.

They could even replay the decision on-screen in slo-mo like in Rugby so everyone can see why a decision has been over-turned while the game continues.

Better that than this current state of affairs imo.

 

[dennistueartismyhero]

i dont remember the boards being full of 'video technology' calls on Monday morning following Nolans 'offside' goal.
just face it, they were bad decisions by bad officials, but if we played anywhere nearer the level level we should be at it would be irrellevant anyway. as gary Player said "the harder i practice the luckier i get"