is it fair????

[kalouk]

No it's not , in fact it's an absolute joke , what on earth do they think a 5 year old will miss!!
I would contest this , when no teachers are available at the school this is ok , when the standard of teaching available is crap , this is ok , when a school has a poor Ofsted report , excuses are given . Not good enough , a child's time spent with his family is worth 10 times more than that spent at school

Well said

How is it well said, it doesn't even make any sense. If you want have an argument about when formal compulsory education should start, that is a different discussion, and there are some good reasons to start later.

My five year old is in reception, the first year of school. He already knows all the graphemes and a couple of digraphs, meaning he can phonetically sound out enough words to read simple books independently. He can count in twos and do addition and subtraction in his head and harder problems with counters.

I'm not showing off (although he quite bright to be fair) I'm pointing out that he is already learning some fairly complex things. The primary school they go to has a very good reputation and most pupils leave above the national average on English and maths. They will not tolerate parents taking kids away.

If said child is taken out for a week. In his reading group they might have moved onto a new phonetic sound, so my boy would no longer be working at the same stage. In maths they might have moved on to a new skill. It doesn't really matter what age group we are talking at, it will cause disruption and will effect your childs progress.

Sometimes absence is unavoidable, and it really does effect the child and can set a child back, and much work is then done to get the child back on course. As well as disruption the teachers planning the confidence and well being of the child can be effected as they are suddenly thrown back in to a situation where they are disadvantaged. Of course a teacher would do all they can to avoid this, but why should they have this burden.

This is a depressing thread for me, and just sums up the selfish culture that evolved in the uk.

For me there is more to education than the things you have listed above. At five years old the OP childs eyes could be opened up to a whole new culture. For each phonetic sound he misses he could learn some Spanish phrases, each number he misses he could learn about a new currency. I believe it takes more than a school curriculum to educate a child, life experiences are just as important and they cannot be taught in a classroom.

 

[Helmet Cole]

.....or he could just sit around a pool being exposed to no more culture than the cross section of UK chavs that are on the same package holiday while mum and dad kick the arse out of the all inclusive drinks service.

 

[kalouk]

.....or he could just sit around a pool being exposed to no more culture than the cross section of UK chavs that are on the same package holiday while mum and dad kick the arse out of the all inclusive drinks service.

If you had made the mum single and had her spending her benefits on drink I think you would have had a full house on stereotype bingo :)

 

[Howling Wolf]

Well said

How is it well said, it doesn't even make any sense. If you want have an argument about when formal compulsory education should start, that is a different discussion, and there are some good reasons to start later.

My five year old is in reception, the first year of school. He already knows all the graphemes and a couple of digraphs, meaning he can phonetically sound out enough words to read simple books independently. He can count in twos and do addition and subtraction in his head and harder problems with counters.

I'm not showing off (although he quite bright to be fair) I'm pointing out that he is already learning some fairly complex things. The primary school they go to has a very good reputation and most pupils leave above the national average on English and maths. They will not tolerate parents taking kids away.

If said child is taken out for a week. In his reading group they might have moved onto a new phonetic sound, so my boy would no longer be working at the same stage. In maths they might have moved on to a new skill. It doesn't really matter what age group we are talking at, it will cause disruption and will effect your childs progress.

Sometimes absence is unavoidable, and it really does effect the child and can set a child back, and much work is then done to get the child back on course. As well as disruption the teachers planning the confidence and well being of the child can be effected as they are suddenly thrown back in to a situation where they are disadvantaged. Of course a teacher would do all they can to avoid this, but why should they have this burden.

This is a depressing thread for me, and just sums up the selfish culture that evolved in the uk.

For me there is more to education than the things you have listed above. At five years old the OP childs eyes could be opened up to a whole new culture. For each phonetic sound he misses he could learn some Spanish phrases, each number he misses he could learn about a new currency. I believe it takes more than a school curriculum to educate a child, life experiences are just as important and they cannot be taught in a classroom.

Your right there is more to life than words and numbers but I don't really think this is what I'm arguing about, there is plenty of time away from school for other experential learning, and i would hope in the early years of school there is plenty of space for learning about other cultures and anything else the teacher can introduce.

I think kids are just taken out or the convenience of the parents and it annoys me greatly, as does SOME of the attitudes of some of the posts on this thread as it is a typical selfish viewpoint, hopefully some of it was to wind people like me.

In particular the poster that had calculated that it would be cheaper to pay the fine and go to turkey anyway, rather than wait till the official holidays.

 

[kalouk]

I do see where you are coming from but taking the OP situation the child is 5, never missed school before and he has tried to do things correctly and informed the school. I just feel this could be looked at as a positive experience and anything missed in the classroom could be caught up on at home quite easily in a one off situation. I know there are other times to go but this is a family wedding so dates are out of his hands. Maybe an idea would be to find some middle ground in that you can take your child away for a week once in the time they are at primary school as long as it is authorised by the headteacher.

 

[ManCitizens.]

I am taking my daughter and grandson to Turkey for 2 weeks holiday on 24th june .This is before school has ended . He too hasn't missed a day .
She was refused permission to take him out of school .
We went to the school and spoke to the head .
After a heated debate about the fact that it was ok to take Asian children out of school for a trip abroad and even giving them homework to do whilst away , the subject calmed somewhat when I threatened to report her for racism against us .
We are going and the head was told to fcuk off as I left.
Not heard a thing back and my daughter is greeted with a smile from the head when she drops him off .
Funny how the threat of being reported to the council and the race relations board can change your mind . A racist head tead teacher , suspension from school . . . works wonders for your career and reputation .

Wow biggest loon in this thread so far. So you found out an Asian family were allowed to take their child out for their own private reason and used this to black male your own child's school. You really are a low life and it is no wonder we have so many children that lack any respect. You told the head to fuck off, what would you have done if they had told you to fuck off.

Pathetic excuse for a human being. Hardly community spirited is it. These people make serious sacrifices for your child and work tirelessly. This debate has been done to death but the workload of a teacher is pretty demanding.

As I have said previously you are wasting our countries resources, funnily enough it is very expensive to provide a safe place for a child to spend there day learning, and to think a holiday is a legitimate reason to fuck this off, or a wedding for a week is never foing to be accepted. Let's get this right if you said you needed to take them out for a day or even two then it's understandable a whole week no.

More and more schools are taking a zero tolerance approach because no matter what people in this thread think it does cause disruption and it is wasteful.

I actually think it should be easy for schools to fuck parents off like the ones in this thread. Complete scum in my opinion, who ruin society and kids ruin our schools. The only thing that makes it easier to deal with is when you meet these poor excuse for human beings who like to think they know it all but in reality are pig ignorant you just know they are bitter because their lives are shit.

Not able to follow rules, selfish sense of entitlement. Everybody has to apart from you, hope the schools start following through with threats because it is a complete joke, and has been for years that parents do this.

Did your parents take you out of school every other week?

 

[Howling Wolf]

There are lot's of other mistakes it's not easy to type on an ipad and I can't spell. Wasn't taken out as far as I know.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Is this definately going to happen ? we took our girl out of school two weeks ago for the first time ever so we could go to New York ( saw City play an away game too in the Mad Hatters ;) she has a 100% attendance record and we too were threatened with this fine you mention, I think its more to deter parents who do it as the norm and do`nt consider their kids education as being important, which patently is`nt the case with you so I think you will be OK. Clarify it with the school in person though.
Good luck

I'd say it patently is the case. Taking kids out of school for a wedding?<br /><br />-- Sat May 25, 2013 5:11 pm --<br /><br />

I am taking my daughter and grandson to Turkey for 2 weeks holiday on 24th june .This is before school has ended . He too hasn't missed a day .
She was refused permission to take him out of school .
We went to the school and spoke to the head .
After a heated debate about the fact that it was ok to take Asian children out of school for a trip abroad and even giving them homework to do whilst away , the subject calmed somewhat when I threatened to report her for racism against us .
We are going and the head was told to fcuk off as I left.
Not heard a thing back and my daughter is greeted with a smile from the head when she drops him off .
Funny how the threat of being reported to the council and the race relations board can change your mind . A racist head tead teacher , suspension from school . . . works wonders for your career and reputation .

What an obnoxious twunt you are. God help your kids!

 

[1961_vintage]

I suspect that a number of teachers and school staff despise being held to account for their performance in the way the government requires and in their own simple way of protesting about just how bad all of these rules and regulations are, they use every opportunity to highlight just how silly it all is in the hope that parents will see things from the teachers perspective and perhaps be a little more supportive of their "cause". Some can make this work successfully, whereas for a small minority that are institutionalised educators and perhaps too separated from the world that most other people inhabit, they find difficulty in establishing common sense as common practice.

 

[samharris]

that me n her indoors are being fined £120 for taking my lad out of school for a week to take him over to Spain for a wedding? He's never had a day off,he's 5 years of age for gods sake! The school have said that they have to follow Bury councils guidelines,fuck them i'm not paying the nazi bastards

Do they fine the kids parents who truant for 5 days ??? If not then fight the fuckers.
threaten to fine the fuckers back the next time the school is closed for snow or other bollux.