Is it Labour's time?

[bluejon]

Corbyn really should form his own party and put an MP up in every constituency.

They might put up a bit of a fight in Islington but across the board they'd get less votes than UKIP. That might finally put an end to the shit show.

As a country we are at our best with a decent centre left labour party in power.

Exactly. Corbyn had his chance, two in fact, and he blew it, the first time against the single worst campaign for PM i've ever seen in my life (May was shocking). I wish people would get over the fact that whilst his politics might be exactly what some wish for (to a certain extent, myself) the man wasn't up to the task. His biggest problem imo was how pissy he got if anyone ever asked him a question he didn't like. It was pathetic.

We need the tories out. I'd happily vote SNP if that meant that happened.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Yes. This Govt like all govts eventually do has run its course. At the start in the coalition although the LD Party are perceived as having been weak it can be seen that they did act as something of a brake on the worst Tory excesses. Back then the papers shit their pants over Call Me Dave's "hug a hoodie" pronouncements and his trips to see some penguins. It all seems quite tame now looking back.

The referendum and post ref times allowed the loonies like the ERG come to the fore and hold far too much sway on their party. Then Johnson gets in wins and election and in "cleansing" his Party his 2019 intake brought in a lot of swivel eyed fanatics and know nowts who would simply vote whichever way he told them.

They will fight and fight dirty because they need to stay in power. Not only for the usual needs but for fear of what will be exposed in the various enquiries and investigations that are to come. They have already tried and failed to get the Johnson Liegate enquiry quashed.

So for now be it Labour or LD or a coalition is to come out in the wash - we just need this corrupt greedy self serving group of alleged Conservatives out of power - away for some time. People within that Party need to take that time to wrest control back and denounce the loonies that were given control because although I have never and would never vote Tory politics in this country will need all parties to work for the good of the country and its citizens not just a tiny cabal of morally bankrupt individuals.

 

[mexico1970]

Yes. This Govt like all govts eventually do has run its course. At the start in the coalition although the LD Party are perceived as having been weak it can be seen that they did act as something of a brake on the worst Tory excesses. Back then the papers shit their pants over Call Me Dave's "hug a hoodie" pronouncements and his trips to see some penguins. It all seems quite tame now looking back.

The referendum and post ref times allowed the loonies like the ERG come to the fore and hold far too much sway on their party. Then Johnson gets in wins and election and in "cleansing" his Party his 2019 intake brought in a lot of swivel eyed fanatics and know nowts who would simply vote whichever way he told them.

They will fight and fight dirty because they need to stay in power. Not only for the usual needs but for fear of what will be exposed in the various enquiries and investigations that are to come. They have already tried and failed to get the Johnson Liegate enquiry quashed.

So for now be it Labour or LD or a coalition is to come out in the wash - we just need this corrupt greedy self serving group of alleged Conservatives out of power - away for some time. People within that Party need to take that time to wrest control back and denounce the loonies that were given control because although I have never and would never vote Tory politics in this country will need all parties to work for the good of the country and its citizens not just a tiny cabal of morally bankrupt individuals.

I'm going to vote Labour when the time comes because the Tories have had their chance and can't even come up with a leader that doesn't embarass the country.


That being said, within a year of being in power we'll see that Labour politicians will be found out to be self serving grifters with no moral backbone, we need complete reform if we are going to get decent accountable government.

 

[PPT]

Angela Rayner is unelectable on any level.
Andy Burnham is a complete and total fraud. A career politician of the highest order. He's never had a real job in his life.
However, all things political are cyclic and Labour will win the
next two elections.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Angela Rayner is unelectable on any level.
Andy Burnham is a complete and total fraud. A career politician of the highest order. He's never had a real job in his life.
However, all things political are cyclic and Labour will win the
next two elections.

You are aware that both are where they are precisely because they were elected to their posts? What an odd conclusion to come to. You really should add something to the effect that you are expressing your own views that are not backed with any valid facts.

 

[Phil1]

You are aware that both are where they are precisely because they were elected to their posts? What an odd conclusion to come to. You really should add something to the effect that you are expressing your own views that are not backed with any valid facts.

Tory innit.

 

[PPT]

You are aware that both are where they are precisely because they were elected to their posts? What an odd conclusion to come to. You really should add something to the effect that you are expressing your own views that are not backed with any valid facts.

My owns views are exactly as they are. Not better than your views and certainly no worse. It's a football forum mate. People express their views. That's what its for. Tell me any real job Andy Burnham as ever had?

 

[Dogtanian]

Well they will never get a better chance, I think the tax cut for the top 1% was the final straw for some of the Tory voters I work with

 

[bluethrunthru]

My owns views are exactly as they are. Not better than your views and certainly no worse. It's a football forum mate. People express their views. That's what its for. Tell me any real job Andy Burnham as ever had?

I was merely pointing out that your statement that Angela Rayner is unelectable at any level was frankly stupid as she is an MP and has been elected in TWO general elections.

Burnham has been an elected MP, a Minister of State and is elected Mayor of Englands second city. I assume you are of the opinion that none of these are "real" jobs??

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Absolutely time for a change

 

[PPT]

I was merely pointing out that your statement that Angela Rayner is unelectable at any level was frankly stupid as she is an MP and has been elected in TWO general elections.

Burnham has been an elected MP, a Minister of State and is elected Mayor of Englands second city. I assume you are of the opinion that none of these are "real" jobs??

You don't wish to answer the question then that's fine.
If you think those are 'real jobs' then good for you.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

My owns views are exactly as they are. Not better than your views and certainly no worse. It's a football forum mate. People express their views. That's what its for. Tell me any real job Andy Burnham as ever had?

What proper job has any politician had?

It depends on your definition of proper.

Itll likely be close to 0% or 100% pendent on your definition.

 

[mexico1970]

I was merely pointing out that your statement that Angela Rayner is unelectable at any level was frankly stupid as she is an MP and has been elected in TWO general elections.

Burnham has been an elected MP, a Minister of State and is elected Mayor of Englands second city. I assume you are of the opinion that none of these are "real" jobs??

Bojo got elected as did Abbott and the incumbent PM, it doesn't mean they are any good at what they do.

Rayner IMHO would kill a Labour challenge dead.

 

[PPT]

What proper job has any politician had?

It depends on your definition of proper.

Itll likely be close to 0% or 100% pendent on your definition.

Very informative. Thanks for that.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Very informative. Thanks for that.

It wasn’t meant to be.

It was a question.

 

[bluethrunthru]

You don't wish to answer the question then that's fine.
If you think those are 'real jobs' then good for you.

so in your world of truth anybody elected to any political position be it PM or a local Parish Councillor is taking up a job that isn't real? Those people make decisions that affect the lives and reality of you and your family - you need to wake up mate and just stop dismissing someone or something without scrutiny because someone told you to do it.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Yes. This Govt like all govts eventually do has run its course. At the start in the coalition although the LD Party are perceived as having been weak it can be seen that they did act as something of a brake on the worst Tory excesses. Back then the papers shit their pants over Call Me Dave's "hug a hoodie" pronouncements and his trips to see some penguins. It all seems quite tame now looking back.

The referendum and post ref times allowed the loonies like the ERG come to the fore and hold far too much sway on their party. Then Johnson gets in wins and election and in "cleansing" his Party his 2019 intake brought in a lot of swivel eyed fanatics and know nowts who would simply vote whichever way he told them.

They will fight and fight dirty because they need to stay in power. Not only for the usual needs but for fear of what will be exposed in the various enquiries and investigations that are to come. They have already tried and failed to get the Johnson Liegate enquiry quashed.

So for now be it Labour or LD or a coalition is to come out in the wash - we just need this corrupt greedy self serving group of alleged Conservatives out of power - away for some time. People within that Party need to take that time to wrest control back and denounce the loonies that were given control because although I have never and would never vote Tory politics in this country will need all parties to work for the good of the country and its citizens not just a tiny cabal of morally bankrupt individuals.

It's generally missed how the tory party assimilated itself with UKIP. And that party was essentially an acceptable face for the BNP and Farage's rag tag mildly racist supporters. A coalition of chaos.

It's unchallenged on the right. As it has moved a long way from the centre. The fact labour has to battle with the snp, greens, lib dems etc makes it a much harder job leading labour. And why lots of labour people are coming round to PR as a better system.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Bojo got elected as did Abbott and the incumbent PM, it doesn't mean they are any good at what they do.

Rayner IMHO would kill a Labour challenge dead.

I assume that you are not in the electorate of any of those you refer to so in effect you can't really say that. I think Johnson was never highly regarded in his constituency as a local MP from what I have read whereas Truss does seem to be well liked in her constituency - her and our problem is that is where she should have stayed as she was out of her depth in a Ministerial role and drowning as PM. Just googled Diane Abbott and see she has been in Parliament for 35 years and currently has a majority of 58% so she must be doing something right. They are elected by people in their seat - it doesn't matter whether you or I think they are a good MP or not but if people get re-elected and keep getting re-elected I'd argue they must be doing something right and some good for their constituents.

We'll have to disagree on Rayner - I mean she too has been elected more than once - she is in post and Labour hold a 20% poll lead and having a wife, daughter, mum-in-law and 3 sisters all I can say they think she is very good and not scared to speak her mind which to my surprise is something that my Tory for life 84 year old mother-in-law admires in her.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Does he have voting rights living in Florida?
Though your point remains either way.

Yes I do. For 4 more years.
If you emigrate you can vote in national elections for 15 years.
Personally I've only.voted twice (Brexit and the last election) as I don't think I should have the right to have any say in the running of a country I don't live in or contribute to. The problem is the Tories don't have that same conscience and rely on large numbers of ex pats to swell their votes

 

[mexico1970]

Truss does seem to be well liked in her constituency - her and our problem is that is where she should have stayed as she was out of her depth in a Ministerial role and drowning as PM.

We were talking about abilities as PM or leading a party and she's woefully inadequate.

Just googled Diane Abbott and see she has been in Parliament for 35 years and currently has a majority of 58% so she must be doing something right.

Dianne Abbott is in a very very safe seat, Labour could put a plant pot in for election and get there.

We'll have to disagree on Rayner -

Install Rayner and Labour lose the election, we do disagree mate and I feel the electorate would too. Let's get Starmer in and see what happens after that.