Is it time to unmask the muslim woman?

[-dabz-]

If you ban the burka, how are you going to tell if they "might" be carrying a bomb or not? ;O).....Oh hold it, the're brown aren't they? Tsk, silly me.

I can't remember. Can anyone remind me whether we banned Irish accents in the seventies?

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Many are said to be in favour of a wider ban on burkas and niqabs from all public places.

Syria has banned face-covering Islamic veils from the country’s universities.'Hijabs and niqabs have been a symbol of oppression and religious extremism over the past hundreds of years. They have been a tool used by fundamentalist men to repress women,' said Ahmed, a 32-year-old engineer.
One passer-by in an upscale Damascus suburb said the burka to him was like a ‘walking black ghost.’t did not include the hijab, or headscarf, which many Syrian women wear.

Since when did a Muslim have to be "brown"o clueless one.

Since when did wearing a veil become ultimate proof of being a terrorist o humourless one?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

because it's not freedom when from an early age women have been indoctrinated to be ashamed of showing their face in public and live in fear of being found by their husband not wearing it in front of other people,

I agree with you that that is not freedom. However, you can't force people to be free, that's something they have to figure out for themselves. And frankly since it doesn't do you or anybody else any harm personally its none of your business. That is the basic principle of a free society.

also female suicide bombers in Afghanistan & Iraq, the fact other western countries have banned them and the fact that christian women aren't openly allowed to wear crosses round their necks whilst muslim women can wear veils.

What do suicide bombers in Iraq and Afghanistan have to do with banning Burqas in the UK? Anyway, the make suicide bombers in Iraq and Afghanistan seem to be doing just fine as well without Burqas. Also why does the fact that other western countries have done it make it right? The Germans used to have a thing for killing Jews, did that make that right?

Where are christian women not allowed to wear crosses? I'm pretty sure I've seen plenty of christian women wearing crosses in schools, banks, walking down the street etc? If there is someplace where christian women are prevented from wearing crosses in the UK then that rule should also apply to muslim women as well (although personally I don't think either set of people should be prevented from wearing what they want)

Also reading the 2 stories in the OP the double standards are shocking, this isn't a muslim state and should be allowed to be manipulated to be as such.

The double standards are shocking Bert, but at what point was it a women in a Burqa that made those shocking decisions? Even if it was a women in a Burqa can you demonstrate a link between her double standards and the fact that she likes to cover here head with a bit of cloth?

As for the UK turning into a muslim state, all I can say is lol. 2.7% of the population is Muslim Bert, and the vast majority of them are either non-practicing or moderate muslims. I don't think you need to worry just yet about being forced to live under sharia law.



The lefties on here will admit they are wrong when you can come up with some evidence to show they are

I completely understand your point, and I agree to a large extent it's not my business, but when they come in with that way of life to a modern, western society where for the last century we have slowly tried to give women equal rights then it just seems so backward and you can't help but want to try and give them the equality fellow women in the country have.

The cross issue is the BA lady who was suspended for wearing an uncovered cross around her neck at check-in desks, which for me is double standards and unacceptable. The veil for me is a symbol of the backward inequality between men and women in certain muslim sectors that its removal could encourage a modernisation of the religion, just like Christianity has to modernise with all its problems. Also I do believe there is a safety risk, as well as it being blatantly rude and unnerving, but that's up to personal opinion.

I have no concern about Sharia Law and have no problem with muslims, other than the extremists, but can they be really seen as acting for their faith? I merely assumed this was a debate on the veil as a garment and whether it should be permitted, not a deeper attack on the islamic faith.

I don't see the relationship between the systematic extermination of jews and the banning of a facial garment though.

 

[MadchesterCity]

because it's not freedom when from an early age women have been indoctrinated to be ashamed of showing their face in public and live in fear of being found by their husband not wearing it in front of other people,

I agree with you that that is not freedom. However, you can't force people to be free, that's something they have to figure out for themselves. And frankly since it doesn't do you or anybody else any harm personally its none of your business. That is the basic principle of a free society.

also female suicide bombers in Afghanistan & Iraq, the fact other western countries have banned them and the fact that christian women aren't openly allowed to wear crosses round their necks whilst muslim women can wear veils.

What do suicide bombers in Iraq and Afghanistan have to do with banning Burqas in the UK? Anyway, the make suicide bombers in Iraq and Afghanistan seem to be doing just fine as well without Burqas. Also why does the fact that other western countries have done it make it right? The Germans used to have a thing for killing Jews, did that make that right?

Where are christian women not allowed to wear crosses? I'm pretty sure I've seen plenty of christian women wearing crosses in schools, banks, walking down the street etc? If there is someplace where christian women are prevented from wearing crosses in the UK then that rule should also apply to muslim women as well (although personally I don't think either set of people should be prevented from wearing what they want)

Also reading the 2 stories in the OP the double standards are shocking, this isn't a muslim state and should be allowed to be manipulated to be as such.

The double standards are shocking Bert, but at what point was it a women in a Burqa that made those shocking decisions? Even if it was a women in a Burqa can you demonstrate a link between her double standards and the fact that she likes to cover here head with a bit of cloth?

As for the UK turning into a muslim state, all I can say is lol. 2.7% of the population is Muslim Bert, and the vast majority of them are either non-practicing or moderate muslims. I don't think you need to worry just yet about being forced to live under sharia law.

The lefties on here will admit they are wrong when you can come up with some evidence to show they are

so you do admit we have to worry about it and that population figures are skewed due to the elderly population being white.

The only way future populous can be meausered is by looking at schools and the percentage there and then fathim in the values for the migration of muslims to the UK.

The percentages are increasing!!

Oh and you never answered my points earlier - jsut called me ignorant

 

[depps]

Malaysia and Indonesia are majority Muslim countries and have been for hundreds of years you donkey. The others have had sizable Muslim minorities for hundreds of years and are in no danger of being overrun by Muslim radicals. In fact the biggest problem in India is Hindu chauvinists initiating pogroms against the Muslims there, much like what used to happen to the Jews in eastern and central Europe.

But of course ignorance is bliss and the big bad Muslims are out to rule the world.

Nope you are wrong, I am not ignorant - far from it!!

East Malaysia was never a muslim country until the influx of Muslims there

South of Thailand is currently under threat by Muslim extremists in the South where they are encroaching on Thailand.

Mindanao and Sulu Arcipalego and islands like Bohol and to a lesser extent Palawan in the Philippines have all became Muslim areas taking over local cutoms.

The population of Muslims in India is on the increase

I think you will also find a lot of examples of Islamic extremists causing problems in Africa also: Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations have hidden effectively in various African states (including Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, South Africa, Cote D'Ivoire, Mauritania and Sudan)

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.learnnc.org/lp/media/uploads/2008/01/africa_islam_87.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.learnnc.org/lp/media/uploads ... lam_87.jpg</a>

And we haven't discussed any of the Russian states

Well seeing as Islam has been the official religion of Malaysia since its foundation I take it that the majority of the population has always been muslim whether or not that is true in the east I don't know but it doesn't really matter does it. It has always been a muslim state.

Thailand: Yes there is an insurgency there, but those people have lived there for hundreds of years. Where is it they could be encroaching from? The supposedly non-Muslim Malaysia you speak of.

India: So what if they are growing. I guess while we are banning the Burqa we should ban them from having babies too?


The Phillipines: Islam has been there since the 12th century, a lot longer than Christianity. The areas you are talking about have majority muslim populations, I don't really see what your argument is? Islam is a local custom

Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Mauritania and Sudan: Muslim Majority countries?

Kenya, Ivory Coast, Tanzania and Uganda: Sizable muslim minorities for 100s of years. Tanzanians muslims were actually there long before the Christians as well.

And the Russian states you are talking about, Chechnya etc, are also muslim areas and have been for hundreds of years.


I really don't see what it is you are trying to say? Other than muslims sometimes live places where some non-muslims live?


Edit: What the fuck was that map meant to show?? That I'm right and you are wrong?

-- Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:46 pm --

so you do admit we have to worry about it and that population figures are skewed due to the elderly population being white.

The only way future populous can be meausered is by looking at schools and the percentage there and then fathim in the values for the migration of muslims to the UK.

The percentages are increasing!!

Oh and you never answered my points earlier - jsut called me ignorant

I'd answer your point if you had one. All your saying is "look at these muslim countries......they are muslim."


Oh and on the fact that the percentage of muslim in the UK is rising, I'm sure the percentage of catholics was rising quite fast with all the Irish immigration from the 40s on. Where you as worried then about the Pope coming along and banning meat on friday, contraception and divorce while he outlawed the church of Engalnd?

 

[MadchesterCity]

Nope you are wrong, I am not ignorant - far from it!!

East Malaysia was never a muslim country until the influx of Muslims there

South of Thailand is currently under threat by Muslim extremists in the South where they are encroaching on Thailand.

Mindanao and Sulu Arcipalego and islands like Bohol and to a lesser extent Palawan in the Philippines have all became Muslim areas taking over local cutoms.

The population of Muslims in India is on the increase

I think you will also find a lot of examples of Islamic extremists causing problems in Africa also: Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations have hidden effectively in various African states (including Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, South Africa, Cote D'Ivoire, Mauritania and Sudan)

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.learnnc.org/lp/media/uploads/2008/01/africa_islam_87.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.learnnc.org/lp/media/uploads ... lam_87.jpg</a>

And we haven't discussed any of the Russian states

Well seeing as Islam has been the official religion of Malaysia since its foundation I take it that the majority of the population has always been muslim whether or not that is true in the east I don't know but it doesn't really matter does it. It has always been a muslim state.

Thailand: Yes there is an insurgency there, but those people have lived there for hundreds of years. Where is it they could be encroaching from? The supposedly non-Muslim Malaysia you speak of.

India: So what if they are growing. I guess while we are banning the Burqa we should ban them from having babies too?

The Phillipines: Islam has been there since the 12th century, a lot longer than Christianity. The areas you are talking about have majority muslim populations, I don't really see what your argument is? Islam is a local custom

Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Mauritania and Sudan: Muslim Majority countries?

Kenya, Ivory Coast, Tanzania and Uganda: Sizable muslim minorities for 100s of years. Tanzanians muslims were actually there long before the Christians as well.

And the Russian states you are talking about, Chechnya etc, are also muslim areas and have been for hundreds of years.

I really don't see what it is you are trying to say? Other than muslims sometimes live places where some non-muslims live?

Edit: What the fuck was that map meant to show?? That I'm right and you are wrong?

I never said that Malaysia was non Muslim - as you know when you responded to my comments on Borneo

To sum it up the point I am making is that lslam is an aggressive religion and once it gets it's grips into a country it takes over as the most dominant religion!

Like it or not the facts are out there

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.freeworldacademy.com/globalleader/population.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.freeworldacademy.com/globall ... lation.htm</a>

 

[Thatchersforearm]

I am torn on the issue and here is why -

I certainly believe in MY right to wear what I want, where I want so why should anyone else be different?

However

There are certain situations where that just isn't possible. The old argument that 'if I went into a bank wearing a motorcycle helmet I would be asked to remove it' is used a lot but carries a valid point. We are living in times of a very REAL terrorist threat from people claiming to representing Islam. For people - Islamic or otherwise - to be able to cover their entire body in places that carry a genuine threat of attack is unacceptable. Hoods must be removed when going into shops, restaurants, pubs etc not only as a dress code rule but also for security reasons. Unfortunately Labour sold out to the Human Rights brigade and a solution to this if further away than ever. There has to be rules in public places whereby everybody must be identifiable. That includes Muslims, Jews, Christians and Hindus - EVERYBODY. Britain needs to protect itself. That is my only argument. Nothing to do with skin colour, religion or sex - National Security.

 

[Lewbiz]

Yes, if people are told to take their hoods down, then they should be told to take their burka off.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Well seeing as Islam has been the official religion of Malaysia since its foundation I take it that the majority of the population has always been muslim whether or not that is true in the east I don't know but it doesn't really matter does it. It has always been a muslim state.

Thailand: Yes there is an insurgency there, but those people have lived there for hundreds of years. Where is it they could be encroaching from? The supposedly non-Muslim Malaysia you speak of.

India: So what if they are growing. I guess while we are banning the Burqa we should ban them from having babies too?

The Phillipines: Islam has been there since the 12th century, a lot longer than Christianity. The areas you are talking about have majority muslim populations, I don't really see what your argument is? Islam is a local custom

Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Mauritania and Sudan: Muslim Majority countries?

Kenya, Ivory Coast, Tanzania and Uganda: Sizable muslim minorities for 100s of years. Tanzanians muslims were actually there long before the Christians as well.

And the Russian states you are talking about, Chechnya etc, are also muslim areas and have been for hundreds of years.

I really don't see what it is you are trying to say? Other than muslims sometimes live places where some non-muslims live?

Edit: What the fuck was that map meant to show?? That I'm right and you are wrong?

I never said that Malaysia was non Muslim - as you know when you responded to my comments on Borneo

To sum it up the point I am making is that lslam is an aggressive religion and once it gets it's grips into a country it takes over as the most dominant religion!

Like it or not the facts are out there

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.freeworldacademy.com/globalleader/population.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.freeworldacademy.com/globall ... lation.htm</a>

and Christianity wasn't aggressive and neither is Israel...? oh wait...

 

[depps]

Well seeing as Islam has been the official religion of Malaysia since its foundation I take it that the majority of the population has always been muslim whether or not that is true in the east I don't know but it doesn't really matter does it. It has always been a muslim state.

Thailand: Yes there is an insurgency there, but those people have lived there for hundreds of years. Where is it they could be encroaching from? The supposedly non-Muslim Malaysia you speak of.

India: So what if they are growing. I guess while we are banning the Burqa we should ban them from having babies too?

The Phillipines: Islam has been there since the 12th century, a lot longer than Christianity. The areas you are talking about have majority muslim populations, I don't really see what your argument is? Islam is a local custom

Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Mauritania and Sudan: Muslim Majority countries?

Kenya, Ivory Coast, Tanzania and Uganda: Sizable muslim minorities for 100s of years. Tanzanians muslims were actually there long before the Christians as well.

And the Russian states you are talking about, Chechnya etc, are also muslim areas and have been for hundreds of years.

I really don't see what it is you are trying to say? Other than muslims sometimes live places where some non-muslims live?

Edit: What the fuck was that map meant to show?? That I'm right and you are wrong?

I never said that Malaysia was non Muslim - as you know when you responded to my comments on Borneo

To sum it up the point I am making is that lslam is an aggressive religion and once it gets it's grips into a country it takes over as the most dominant religion!

Like it or not the facts are out there

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.freeworldacademy.com/globalleader/population.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.freeworldacademy.com/globall ... lation.htm</a>

Aggressive in comparison to what? Christianity? Don't make me laugh

 

[bluemanc]

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Many are said to be in favour of a wider ban on burkas and niqabs from all public places.

Since when did a Muslim have to be "brown"o clueless one.

Since when did wearing a veil become ultimate proof of being a terrorist o humourless one?

You brought race into the thread,.....oh i see it was meant to be some sort of racist joke was it.