Is life mapped out for us

[Bigga]

Think you're confused here. There's never been any recorded cases of any human ever coming back after electrical functions in the brain have stopped. Electrical functions stopping are how we define brain death. You could mean lack of cardio functions like a heartbeat or lack of breathing.

Out of body experiences are generally thought to be where the brain is dying and attempting to make sense/interpret the stimuli around it. The brain is a part computer but also part filter. It ignores certain things in order to make its life easier, which is why you can't see your nose all day long despite it being on your face. OOB experiences are thought to be where the brain has released endorphins to protect the body from pain and is on the verge of death so doesn't have the correct filters in place to put things into its context. Ironically, the experiences people have in OOB experiences generally conform to religious and/or spiritual mythology their culture conforms to, which is a clue that it's probably close to a half-dream

I can accept the electrical explanation as it's a separate function, sure. Are you suggesting that when people can pinpoint where people are in the room, when they're being worked, it's the brain 'having a guess'?

Also what if, like me, there's no pain to process and no spiritual leaning, in particular, to lean upon?

There's lots of 'Pearly Gates' references but no explanation of how to get there, journey-wise! But I'm not claiming going there. I am saying there was a journey like no other!

My child-distracting point is that I circumvent all those instances you speak of; no religious/ spiritual connection to draw off, no pain to cloud my brain, yet my experience is beyond anything else I will ever measure.

All I'm saying is that people should stop dismissing stuff out-of-hand just cos it's not part of their comprehension.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Out of body experiences are generally thought to be where the brain is dying and attempting to make sense/interpret the stimuli around it.

I had an 'out of body experience' once many years ago whilst walking to my grans house. I had a massive bang like pain in my chest, thought I was having a heart attack. And for a split second I could see myself from above walking down the street. Was a really weird experience, as was the time I was involved In a near death experience in a car crash when my life literally flashed before my eyes.

 

[Magicpole]

But people have spoken of 'regression' before. We don't know if it's true or not, we just chalk it down to 'provable fact'.

We can't prove dreams, can we? But we know it happens for a 'fact'. Science is what we know, not what we don't.

It's natural to fear death as it holds an unknown quantity; that we may only cease to exist on a scientific level.

That's it.

What's the point in not remembering? Maybe the magnitude at this level is too much? Maybe we go through different levels of 'learning' or maybe we just die.

Who the fook knows?!!

Maybe your just putting a couple if scenarios up that can't be disproven but remember.

I could claim three beautiful nympho gods visit me every night for an orgy.

Nobody could disprove that either.

You have to ask. Why are all these mystical phenomenon so vague? Why is there a total lack if verifiable evidence? Why is that?

Is it that the powers up and out there don't think we can handle it so keep it based upon people's desires to be immortal.

Or,

There is no evidence simply because it's all bolloks?

It's all man made. There is estimated 10,000 gods right now. If you're a Christian you don't believe in 9,999 of them. What are the odds that every single believer has found the true one as they all believe?

Is it not more logical to suggest they are all wrong? Especially when there is not one iota of evidence for any of them.

Let's take Jesus as he is the wests guy.

He emerged during a totalitarian Roman Empire. Would they not have seen Jeezy as a threat? A guy who attracted crowds if thousands. Who claimed to be the messiah, and the Jews at the time were waiting fir a warrior messiah who would slay the Romans. Not one word. Not one report. Not one mention.

Now either it was Life of Brian Romans or he wasn't there. Because if he was the Romans would have sent a message back as they did with all potential insurgents across their empire. Except in relation to Christ.

They didn't write about him because he was a myth.

 

[Damocles]

I can accept the electrical explanation as it's a separate function, sure. Are you suggesting that when people can pinpoint where people are in the room, when they're being worked, it's the brain 'having a guess'?

Also what if, like me, there's no pain to process and no spiritual leaning, in particular, to lean upon?

There's lots of 'Pearly Gates' references but no explanation of how to get there, journey-wise! But I'm not claiming going there. I am saying there was a journey like no other!

My child-distracting point is that I circumvent all those instances you speak of; no religious/ spiritual connection to draw off, no pain to cloud my brain, yet my experience is beyond anything else I will ever measure.

All I'm saying is that people should stop dismissing stuff out-of-hand just cos it's not part of their comprehension.

The brain guesses all of the time. Pretty much our whole system of sight is having the brain take two inputs from different eyes then guessing where things are. In fact this isn't just sight and there's plenty of times the brain just guesses which sort of ties into to how memory and a few other tings like that work. Just because your thinking brain loses consciousness doesn't mean your body stops working - you still breathe, you still tell your heart to beat and control your sphincter muscles. The brain can still hear voices and process signals even if you're not conscious.

You do have a cultural spirituality. You know who Jesus is, you know that white lights are associated with an after life, you live in a monothestic world where heaven exists - just because you don't believe in them doesn't mean they haven't shaped your thought patterns and bias about what an afterlife is and what it could look like. Out of body experiences in Hindu or Islamic cultures looks completely different to the ones here.

And I didn't say that the brain was in pain, the brain cannot feel pain. I said that the brain releases hormones when it's dying so the body doesn't feel pain which is often where the spiritual high comes from.

 

[Bigga]

Maybe your just putting a couple if scenarios up that can't be disproven but remember.

I could claim three beautiful nympho gods visit me every night for an orgy.

Nobody could disprove that either.

You have to ask. Why are all these mystical phenomenon so vague? Why is there a total lack if verifiable evidence? Why is that?

Is it that the powers up and out there don't think we can handle it so keep it based upon people's desires to be immortal.

Or,

There is no evidence simply because it's all bolloks?

It's all man made. There is estimated 10,000 gods right now. If you're a Christian you don't believe in 9,999 of them. What are the odds that every single believer has found the true one as they all believe?

Is it not more logical to suggest they are all wrong? Especially when there is not one iota of evidence for any of them.

Let's take Jesus as he is the wests guy.

He emerged during a totalitarian Roman Empire. Would they not have seen Jeezy as a threat? A guy who attracted crowds if thousands. Who claimed to be the messiah, and the Jews at the time were waiting fir a warrior messiah who would slay the Romans. Not one word. Not one report. Not one mention.

Now either it was Life of Brian Romans or he wasn't there. Because if he was the Romans would have sent a message back as they did with all potential insurgents across their empire. Except in relation to Christ.

They didn't write about him because he was a myth.

Not to dismiss your point, but history is created by the victory.

Not everything is recorded.

 

[Magicpole]

Not to dismiss your point, but history is created by the victory.

Not everything is recorded.

Yes, so why didn't they mention it at all. They allegedly killed him. Ended the threat. There is not a chance in a billion that anybody could attract crowds in the tens of thousands, ride into Bethlehem on a fucking donkey to thousands and they wouldn't see this as a threat and record action to deal with it.

They didn't because it didn't happen.

 

[snorky]

Yes, so why didn't they mention it at all. They allegedly killed him. Ended the threat. There is not a chance in a billion that anybody could attract crowds in the tens of thousands, ride into Bethlehem on a fucking donkey to thousands and they wouldn't see this as a threat and record action to deal with it.

They didn't because it didn't happen.

I think its was a little donkey according to the song :)

 

[Magicpole]

I think its was a little donkey according to the song :)

A lovely little donkey.

I like donkeys, many have played for my team.

 

[Bigga]

Yes, so why didn't they mention it at all. They allegedly killed him. Ended the threat. There is not a chance in a billion that anybody could attract crowds in the tens of thousands, ride into Bethlehem on a fucking donkey to thousands and they wouldn't see this as a threat and record action to deal with it.

They didn't because it didn't happen.

I don't remember the Romans glorifying enemies! I thought they loved their heroes and victories, rather than humanise the whole affair!

HIS STORY.

History.

 

[Magicpole]

I don't remember the Romans glorifying enemies! I thought they loved their heroes and victories, rather than humanise the whole affair!

HIS STORY.

History.

I'm not talking about glorifying them. They kept tabs and took action all over the empire on threats. They would either buy them it kill them. The only reason they are missing about a guy getting fitba crowds is because there wasn't a guy getting fitba crowds.

Three years cutting about with 12 Guys raising the dead, curing lepers, feeding five thousand, and nobody in authority mentions him?

Impossible.