Is Mancini wasting his time with us?

[Didsbury Dave]

Spot on. Mourinho effectively has us on retainer and will only join us if all other preferred options are closed down.

I think a lot of blues have got insecurity and inferiority in their DNA now. A lot of it comes from incessant ribbing by other fans, and probably the press are contributing now too.

As I said in the above post, don't do City down.

Everyone in world football knows about City now and our owner's clout. We are now a footballing superpower.

Our job is one of the most attractive in world football. A good squad, an unlimited budget and a "back-seat" owner. Believe me, not many would turn that down.

We are not shitty little City anymore, contrary to what some of you instinctively believe.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Does anyone think Mourinho would take the City job over the Real Madrid job?

I don't...

That's probably one of the only ones more attractive than ours.

But could he work with their owners?

 

[Anonymous]

Does anyone think Mourinho would take the City job over the Real Madrid job?

I don't...

That's probably one of the only ones more attractive than ours.

But could he work with their owners?

It's an interesting one.

The argument for Mourinho NOT moving to Madrid would be that they have an overly complicated hierarchy with a technical director, Perez, and Zidane, all having a say in team affairs. Mourinho's ego simply couldn't handle a situation like that.

The argument FOR him moving to Madrid? Unlimited transfer budget, managing one of the preeminent football clubs on the planet, and the opportunity to win the league in another country.

Mourinho and his advisors aren't going to be stupid enough to commit one way or another to anyone right now. More than likely they'll be sounding out everyone from City to Madrid to Liverpool.

Anyway, my thoughts are fully occupied with the game we have left for the moment. I want Mancini to succeed because it will mean City have succeeded.

 

[Neville Kneville]

That's probably one of the only ones more attractive than ours.

But could he work with their owners?

It's an interesting one.

The argument for Mourinho NOT moving to Madrid would be that they have an overly complicated hierarchy with a technical director, Perez, and Zidane, all having a say in team affairs. Mourinho's ego simply couldn't handle a situation like that.

The argument FOR him moving to Madrid? Unlimited transfer budget, managing one of the preeminent football clubs on the planet, and the opportunity to win the league in another country.

Mourinho and his advisors aren't going to be stupid enough to commit one way or another to anyone right now. More than likely they'll be sounding out everyone from City to Madrid to Liverpool.

Anyway, my thoughts are fully occupied with the game we have left for the moment. I want Mancini to succeed because it will mean City have succeeded.

The key to it is probably whether he wants a challenge or just to win whatever. I recon most people of a Spanish/Portuguese background see Real Madrid as the pinnacle of domestic football but Mourinho can't make history there, he'd just be another name on a long list whatever he did.

If he's the man in charge when City win the Champions's league though, he'll be an all time legend in this country bigger than anything he's done here so far. If I was him it'd be City for me no problem.

I also hope Mancini does the biz though. I'd be very happy for him to stay if he gives us the football we want.

 

[BobKowalski]

Spot on. Mourinho effectively has us on retainer and will only join us if all other preferred options are closed down.

I think a lot of blues have got insecurity and inferiority in their DNA now. A lot of it comes from incessant ribbing by other fans, and probably the press are contributing now too.

As I said in the above post, don't do City down.

Everyone in world football knows about City now and our owner's clout. We are now a footballing superpower.

Our job is one of the most attractive in world football. A good squad, an unlimited budget and a "back-seat" owner. Believe me, not many would turn that down.

We are not shitty little City anymore, contrary to what some of you instinctively believe.

Bollocks. Its based on seeing how Mourinho operates. You would have to be stupid not to work out that there has been long standing contact between City and Mourinho's camp and that the City job is on Mourinho's list but the job is not top of the list otherwise Mourinho would have been installed as manager last summer. What Mourinho did do is despite all the 'I hate Italy' nonsense is sign an improved deal with Inter which meant that whatever City were offering or promising, Jose just used it as leverage to get an improved deal.

Taking over from taggart appeals to Mourinho's ego and he is probably the only manager on the planet who thinks he could do a better job than taggart. Liverpool also appeals and there was talk of them hijacking his move to Chelsea at the time. Managing in Spain and winning the league is also high on his 'To Do' list as no other manager has won the title in the three strongest leagues so Madrid is a serious player for him despite the politicking - although there is enough politics at Chelsea and Inter so its not as if Jose is unaware how to play the politics game.

Jose is using is at the moment because he sees that we need him more then he needs us. We don't have CL football and we are not in the top tier just yet but we do have our foot in the door and I have no doubt we will be a better prospect for Jose at the end of this season then last so I think our chances of landing Jose have increased but there are others out there including his current club who for him are a better option.

At some stage Jose wil have to shit or get off the City pot because we have to get a top class manager and commit for a reasonable period. The will he/won't he dance with Jose can not go on for season after season.

I will be delighted if Mourinho pitches at City up next season and I do think it is a possibility. I just don't think its a very strong one.

 

[BobKowalski]

It's an interesting one.

The argument for Mourinho NOT moving to Madrid would be that they have an overly complicated hierarchy with a technical director, Perez, and Zidane, all having a say in team affairs. Mourinho's ego simply couldn't handle a situation like that.

The argument FOR him moving to Madrid? Unlimited transfer budget, managing one of the preeminent football clubs on the planet, and the opportunity to win the league in another country.

Mourinho and his advisors aren't going to be stupid enough to commit one way or another to anyone right now. More than likely they'll be sounding out everyone from City to Madrid to Liverpool.

Anyway, my thoughts are fully occupied with the game we have left for the moment. I want Mancini to succeed because it will mean City have succeeded.

The key to it is probably whether he wants a challenge or just to win whatever. I recon most people of a Spanish/Portuguese background see Real Madrid as the pinnacle of domestic football but Mourinho can't make history there, he'd just be another name on a long list whatever he did.

If he's the man in charge when City win the Champions's league though, he'll be an all time legend in this country bigger than anything he's done here so far. If I was him it'd be City for me no problem.

I also hope Mancini does the biz though. I'd be very happy for him to stay if he gives us the football we want.

Mourinho wants to win which is why hes a bloody good manager and at Madrid he would make history. First manager to win the title in England, Italy and Spain. Plus a better chance to win the CL which again he is desperate to do.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I think a lot of blues have got insecurity and inferiority in their DNA now. A lot of it comes from incessant ribbing by other fans, and probably the press are contributing now too.

As I said in the above post, don't do City down.

Everyone in world football knows about City now and our owner's clout. We are now a footballing superpower.

Our job is one of the most attractive in world football. A good squad, an unlimited budget and a "back-seat" owner. Believe me, not many would turn that down.

We are not shitty little City anymore, contrary to what some of you instinctively believe.

Bollocks. Its based on seeing how Mourinho operates. You would have to be stupid not to work out that there has been long standing contact between City and Mourinho's camp and that the City job is on Mourinho's list but the job is not top of the list otherwise Mourinho would have been installed as manager last summer. What Mourinho did do is despite all the 'I hate Italy' nonsense is sign an improved deal with Inter which meant that whatever City were offering or promising, Jose just used it as leverage to get an improved deal.

Taking over from taggart appeals to Mourinho's ego and he is probably the only manager on the planet who thinks he could do a better job than taggart. Liverpool also appeals and there was talk of them hijacking his move to Chelsea at the time. Managing in Spain and winning the league is also high on his 'To Do' list as no other manager has won the title in the three strongest leagues so Madrid is a serious player for him despite the politicking - although there is enough politics at Chelsea and Inter so its not as if Jose is unaware how to play the politics game.

Jose is using is at the moment because he sees that we need him more then he needs us. We don't have CL football and we are not in the top tier just yet but we do have our foot in the door and I have no doubt we will be a better prospect for Jose at the end of this season then last so I think our chances of landing Jose have increased but there are others out there including his current club who for him are a better option.

At some stage Jose wil have to shit or get off the City pot because we have to get a top class manager and commit for a reasonable period. The will he/won't he dance with Jose can not go on for season after season.

I will be delighted if Mourinho pitches at City up next season and I do think it is a possibility. I just don't think its a very strong one.

He's only young so even if he doesn't come next season, his name will be cropping up in relation to City for many many years. Get used to it.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Bob, you make a lot of sweeping statements and provide them as certainties when they are not.

"Taking over from Taggart appeals to his ego"
"Mourinho is using us"
"There are jobs which for him are a better option"

You don't know these things. They are just your opinion, not fact.

My opinion is that there is a very good chance of him ending up at City. Yours is that there is not.

That's all. Let's see.

I've actually got faith that our owners won't allow the club to be dicked around and are operating sensibly. I'd be angry if we got to this summer, offered Mourinho the job and he said no. Mancini would be a lame duck and we'd be in the market for someone else.

I don't believe they would take that risk.

 

[BobKowalski]

Bollocks. Its based on seeing how Mourinho operates. You would have to be stupid not to work out that there has been long standing contact between City and Mourinho's camp and that the City job is on Mourinho's list but the job is not top of the list otherwise Mourinho would have been installed as manager last summer. What Mourinho did do is despite all the 'I hate Italy' nonsense is sign an improved deal with Inter which meant that whatever City were offering or promising, Jose just used it as leverage to get an improved deal.

Taking over from taggart appeals to Mourinho's ego and he is probably the only manager on the planet who thinks he could do a better job than taggart. Liverpool also appeals and there was talk of them hijacking his move to Chelsea at the time. Managing in Spain and winning the league is also high on his 'To Do' list as no other manager has won the title in the three strongest leagues so Madrid is a serious player for him despite the politicking - although there is enough politics at Chelsea and Inter so its not as if Jose is unaware how to play the politics game.

Jose is using is at the moment because he sees that we need him more then he needs us. We don't have CL football and we are not in the top tier just yet but we do have our foot in the door and I have no doubt we will be a better prospect for Jose at the end of this season then last so I think our chances of landing Jose have increased but there are others out there including his current club who for him are a better option.

At some stage Jose wil have to shit or get off the City pot because we have to get a top class manager and commit for a reasonable period. The will he/won't he dance with Jose can not go on for season after season.

I will be delighted if Mourinho pitches at City up next season and I do think it is a possibility. I just don't think its a very strong one.

He's only young so even if he doesn't come next season, his name will be cropping up in relation to City for many many years. Get used to it.

Well duh. His name will keep cropping up - along with names of other top managers - unless and until we find a manager who brings the success that ADUG demand which is winning the PL and CL. When we have a manager who brings consistant success then the talking will stop.

 

[tomablue93]

No, he clearly wants good or he wouldnt waste 6 months at the club, and we need stability at the club.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I understand Mancini doesn't see it as wasted time, whatever the outcome on his future with us, will be.

He has a clear mandate, 24 hours prior to the Chelsea game, I am told Cook and Marwood basically again emphasised this and the points total they are expecting.

The few people who have been able to establish good relations with Mancini, say he saw this time with City as a win-win sitution for both him and us.

Us, in that we required a quick-fix solution, backed up by a man of sound experience and character.

Him, expanding his knowledge of the English game. He still maintains Inter were only a short stride from him helping them to realise their Champions League dream.

However, he was shocked by the pace and power of the English contenders in comparison, resulting in his shock offer of resignation at the time, just 24 hours after Liverpool had brushed his team aside.

There are varying degrees of information in terms of the likelihoood of a Mourinho arrival.

As stated previously to me, he has 'let it be known' of his firm interest in City. Another poster is 100 per cent accurate that both Mourinho and City have had on and off dialogue from pretty much the first day ADUG took the reigns.

Acknowledged, Jose is the master of political adroitness, his come-ons to both City and more notably, England, come to mind.

Mourinho also proves this, furthmore, by asking his advisors to currently sound-out Inter about a new contract, thus throwing the onus on the club to back him or sack him, especially so, with a £5m buyout clause in his existing deal.

He knows exactly the position he currently holds, and the landscape at present.

My own gut instinct from everything I have heard and been told, is Mancini could also be gone, even if he does attain top four, should Jose finally indicate a clear definitive answer.

There are people very close to Mourinho who have insisted the job is his to take.

Will I be disappointed if Jose finally ends his prick-teasing, and still doesn't roll up at Eastlands? Yes, no doubt.

But it is a shrewd game Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour have played. Mancini is a guy they have the upmost respect for, one with a enviable continental reputation.

He is not exactly chopped liver, no matter what many may think, including the players.

It's Jose coming in, for me. There is too much smoke now for owners such as ours not to have snuffed it out very quickly.

Him, followed by three or four absolutely world class talents.

Nobody has to believe it, but nor should they dismiss it out of hand.

You are the only ITK around here that I believe.

Having said that, I still think Jose is playing us for fools, no way will he come unless we are in the top four, and no way will hw stick around beyond the day baconface retires.

The very second the job at the swamp opened up he would be out the door.

I dont want him at City not because he is not worldclass, but because we will never have any stabillity with this guy.

Cheers, mate.

Appreciate your current take on things.

But can tell you there is more chance of Mark Hughes being manager of United one day, than Jose. There was the same concerns aired when Hughes took the City job, him making us successful, finding the swamp too tempting for words.

Jose is a name that the influential old guard, including Bobby Charlton, view with a high degree of caution. Ferguson will remain at the helm for at least another two years.

The contract City would waft under the nose of someone like Mourinho would be nothing less than five years, bettering his current £12m a year salary.

To put this in perspective, two years in, United/Jose would have to cough up circa £50m just to release him.

And I would not be surprised if ADUG said to Jose, here is a ten year contract (especially after two short-term managers under then) to demonstrate their faith to both him and City.

United is a club with no wiggle room, even less money - something even Jose's man-management skills can not counter-act.

He inspires those who want to be great, and the great. If Liverpool had money, they would be a bigger attraction for him this summer than United.

He wants to create a dynasty. To have complete control of everything, with money to burn.

Spain, one day, Portugal national job, one day. Now?

If Real Madrid weren't in the equation, I would be sitting on a small fortune.

 

[BobKowalski]

Bob, you make a lot of sweeping statements and provide them as certainties when they are not.

"Taking over from Taggart appeals to his ego"
"Mourinho is using us"
"There are jobs which for him are a better option"

You don't know these things. They are just your opinion, not fact.

No I don't know. They are just observations based on what has happened so far. That he is using us is self evident. Jose is the ultimate prick tease with City at the moment. We had the 'I hate Italy' fed to us last season. What does Jose do? Sign a new improved contract with Inter. Mourinho has always kept himself in taggarts good books because taggert will have a big say on who follows him. When son of taggert was sacked recently who invited him over to Inter for a few weeks? Yep Jose. Mourinho is a smart bastard and will keep all options bubbling along for as long as he can.

Madrid is the other big one. Barca refer to Jose as 'the translator' which was his job there. No love there so going to Madrid, making history and shoving Barca's nose in the shit ticks all the boxes.

Liverpool nearly tempted Jose before Chelsea. Likes the idea of restoring Liverpool's past glories. This is all a matter of record. The only one that is not a matter of record is the City job which as far as I know Jose has not said a word on the subject. City under ADUG ownership is an option, yes. Top of the list? No.

My opinion is that there is a very good chance of him ending up at City. Yours is that there is not.

That's all. Let's see.

I've actually got faith that our owners won't allow the club to be dicked around and are operating sensibly. I'd be angry if we got to this summer, offered Mourinho the job and he said no. Mancini would be a lame duck and we'd be in the market for someone else.

I don't believe they would take that risk.

ADUG will not allow Jose to dick around for ever. They will see it through this summer which is why, coupled with Mancini's 6 month review clause, there is speculation over his future and they will risk the chance of Jose saying 'no' one more time. If it doesn't happen this summer, and I think the chances are slim, then it won't happen for the forseeable future because the club will then commit to someone else be it Mancini or whoever.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

What is the managerial situation at Real Madrid?

How likely is there to be a vacancy?

Anyone up to speed with Spanish football?

 

[Dyed Petya]

Cheers, mate.

Appreciate your current take on things.

But can tell you there is more chance of Mark Hughes being manager of United one day, than Jose. There was the same concerns aired when Hughes took the City job, him making us successful, finding the swamp too tempting for words.

Jose is a name that the influential old guard, including Bobby Charlton, view with a high degree of caution. Ferguson will remain at the helm for at least another two years.

The contract City would waft under the nose of someone like Mourinho would be nothing less than five years, bettering his current £12m a year salary.

To put this in perspective, two years in, United/Jose would have to cough up circa £50m just to release him.

And I would not be surprised if ADUG said to Jose, here is a ten year contract (especially after two short-term managers under then) to demonstrate their faith to both him and City.

United is a club with no wiggle room, even less money - something even Jose's man-management skills can not counter-act.

He inspires those who want to be great, and the great. If Liverpool had money, they would be a bigger attraction for him this summer than United.

He wants to create a dynasty. To have complete control of everything, with money to burn.

Spain, one day, Portugal national job, one day. Now?

If Real Madrid weren't in the equation, I would be sitting on a small fortune.

You don't think there's any serious chance of him staying at Inter, then, Tolmie?

If you look at the jobs which currently seem reasonable possibilities of being available in the summer among the biggest and/or wealthiest (i.e. us), then if he does leave Inter, Real is the only one that could attract him ahead of a move to City.

My best guess is that Ferguson won't leave Old Trafford yet, Benitez may leave Liverpool but they have no money and Mourinho won't go to Juve because if he leaves Inter, it will be to leave Italy.

 

[Anonymous]

What is the managerial situation at Real Madrid?

How likely is there to be a vacancy?

Anyone up to speed with Spanish football?

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/columnists/gabriele_marcotti/article7052967.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 052967.ece</a>

Have a read of that.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Cheers, mate.

Appreciate your current take on things.

But can tell you there is more chance of Mark Hughes being manager of United one day, than Jose. There was the same concerns aired when Hughes took the City job, him making us successful, finding the swamp too tempting for words.

Jose is a name that the influential old guard, including Bobby Charlton, view with a high degree of caution. Ferguson will remain at the helm for at least another two years.

The contract City would waft under the nose of someone like Mourinho would be nothing less than five years, bettering his current £12m a year salary.

To put this in perspective, two years in, United/Jose would have to cough up circa £50m just to release him.

And I would not be surprised if ADUG said to Jose, here is a ten year contract (especially after two short-term managers under then) to demonstrate their faith to both him and City.

United is a club with no wiggle room, even less money - something even Jose's man-management skills can not counter-act.

He inspires those who want to be great, and the great. If Liverpool had money, they would be a bigger attraction for him this summer than United.

He wants to create a dynasty. To have complete control of everything, with money to burn.

Spain, one day, Portugal national job, one day. Now?

If Real Madrid weren't in the equation, I would be sitting on a small fortune.

You don't think there's any serious chance of him staying at Inter, then, Tolmie?

If you look at the jobs which currently seem reasonable possibilities of being available in the summer among the biggest and/or wealthiest (i.e. us), then if he does leave Inter, Real is the only one that could attract him ahead of a move to City.

My best guess is that Ferguson won't leave Old Trafford yet, Benitez may leave Liverpool but they have no money and Mourinho won't go to Juve because if he leaves Inter, it will be to leave Italy.

Appears to have burned his bridges at Inter in my opinion. Certainly not popular enough with fans or national media in Italy.

Jose asking about a new contract at Inter is very cute. It serves a number of purposes.

Sack me or back me (pay me off)

They have one foot in the quarter-finals of Champs League, boosts player morale if nothing else.

Thirdly, it gives clubs like City, Real Madrid, etc, another wake up call that they need to move fast (this is where Mancini's current uncertainty with the owners, may be a factor)

Everything Jose does and says in football has an objective - all to serve him to the good.

The United link is just ridiculous beyond words. Aside from compensation, manure would somehow have to find DOUBLE Ferguson's wages just to entice him financially.

The reason I keep mentioning Real Madrid, is exactly because it is Real Madrid. There, is a ready-made team of superstars, the ability to get back at Barca.

However, there are outside factors to appreciate. He has a former circle of friends in this country who are already convinced he is City's next manager.

I just believe it is now or never, and he knows it.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

What is the managerial situation at Real Madrid?

How likely is there to be a vacancy?

Anyone up to speed with Spanish football?

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/columnists/gabriele_marcotti/article7052967.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 052967.ece</a>

Have a read of that.

Sounds to be doing well enough. I guess you never can predict what's going to happen at that club though.

I think I'll support them in Europe....

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Bob, you make a lot of sweeping statements and provide them as certainties when they are not.

"Taking over from Taggart appeals to his ego"
"Mourinho is using us"
"There are jobs which for him are a better option"

You don't know these things. They are just your opinion, not fact.

No I don't know. They are just observations based on what has happened so far. That he is using us is self evident. Jose is the ultimate prick tease with City at the moment. We had the 'I hate Italy' fed to us last season. What does Jose do? Sign a new improved contract with Inter. Mourinho has always kept himself in taggarts good books because taggert will have a big say on who follows him. When son of taggert was sacked recently who invited him over to Inter for a few weeks? Yep Jose. Mourinho is a smart bastard and will keep all options bubbling along for as long as he can.

Madrid is the other big one. Barca refer to Jose as 'the translator' which was his job there. No love there so going to Madrid, making history and shoving Barca's nose in the shit ticks all the boxes.

Liverpool nearly tempted Jose before Chelsea. Likes the idea of restoring Liverpool's past glories. This is all a matter of record. The only one that is not a matter of record is the City job which as far as I know Jose has not said a word on the subject. City under ADUG ownership is an option, yes. Top of the list? No.

My opinion is that there is a very good chance of him ending up at City. Yours is that there is not.

That's all. Let's see.

I've actually got faith that our owners won't allow the club to be dicked around and are operating sensibly. I'd be angry if we got to this summer, offered Mourinho the job and he said no. Mancini would be a lame duck and we'd be in the market for someone else.

I don't believe they would take that risk.

ADUG will not allow Jose to dick around for ever. They will see it through this summer which is why, coupled with Mancini's 6 month review clause, there is speculation over his future and they will risk the chance of Jose saying 'no' one more time. If it doesn't happen this summer, and I think the chances are slim, then it won't happen for the forseeable future because the club will then commit to someone else be it Mancini or whoever.

Fair enough.

 

[Anonymous]

Cracking thread.

I want Mancini to stay and achieve with us. I think he is the right manager at the right time. I don't know why, I just have this gut feeling about Mancini, can't back it up with solid evidence, just a feeling in my water! He seems to have conducted himself very well and quickly identified the weaknesses in the team. Come the summer with his own transfer budget, I can envisage big things on the horizon.

Clealry, Mourinho is a fantastic manager, but more and more I am of the opinion I'd prefer Mancio to stay rather than bring in the special one.

Some of the posts are trying to second guess Mourinho's motivation, but instinctively, I feel he will be at Real come the summer. Irrespective of creating history with us etc as some have said, don;t forget the enormous amount of prestige that goes with managing Real or Barca. I think Real's and Mourinho's egos are a marriage made in heaven, so it would be churlish to dismiss it.

A lot of you have missed the full quote from him about a return to England. In summary, he actually said he had unfinished business in England. However, in the same interview he also stated he wanted to manage in Spain at some point as well.

 

[bluefandk]

You are the only ITK around here that I believe.

Having said that, I still think Jose is playing us for fools, no way will he come unless we are in the top four, and no way will hw stick around beyond the day baconface retires.

The very second the job at the swamp opened up he would be out the door.

I dont want him at City not because he is not worldclass, but because we will never have any stabillity with this guy.

Cheers, mate.

Appreciate your current take on things.

But can tell you there is more chance of Mark Hughes being manager of United one day, than Jose. There was the same concerns aired when Hughes took the City job, him making us successful, finding the swamp too tempting for words.

Jose is a name that the influential old guard, including Bobby Charlton, view with a high degree of caution. Ferguson will remain at the helm for at least another two years.

The contract City would waft under the nose of someone like Mourinho would be nothing less than five years, bettering his current £12m a year salary.

To put this in perspective, two years in, United/Jose would have to cough up circa £50m just to release him.

And I would not be surprised if ADUG said to Jose, here is a ten year contract (especially after two short-term managers under then) to demonstrate their faith to both him and City.

United is a club with no wiggle room, even less money - something even Jose's man-management skills can not counter-act.

He inspires those who want to be great, and the great. If Liverpool had money, they would be a bigger attraction for him this summer than United.

He wants to create a dynasty. To have complete control of everything, with money to burn.

Spain, one day, Portugal national job, one day. Now?

If Real Madrid weren't in the equation, I would be sitting on a small fortune.

As per usual you make some good points, If the scums money problems continue (unfortunately that is a big if) they perhaps would not be his first choice.

However my perception of Jose is that the man does not have a loyal bone is his body, case in point, he is currently sending oout come and get me signals whilst under contract at Inter.

Maybe he wants to build a dynasty at City, but he seems to be a guy, who comes in to a club wins a few trophies gets bored and leaves.

I will admit, that much of my perspective on this is coloured by my desire for stability, I am old enouogh to remember when it seemed we had a new maneger every week.

I think what the club needs is a competent maneger to be given enough time to build his team, jose is competent no doubt about that, so if he wants to come here and build our club then fine.

i happen to think Mancini is a competent maneger, and given time could achieve great things with City.