Is Mancini wasting his time with us?

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Cracking thread.

I want Mancini to stay and achieve with us. I think he is the right manager at the right time. I don't know why, I just have this gut feeling about Mancini, can't back it up with solid evidence, just a feeling in my water! He seems to have conducted himself very well and quickly identified the weaknesses in the team. Come the summer with his own transfer budget, I can envisage big things on the horizon.

Clealry, Mourinho is a fantastic manager, but more and more I am of the opinion I'd prefer Mancio to stay rather than bring in the special one.

Some of the posts are trying to second guess Mourinho's motivation, but instinctively, I feel he will be at Real come the summer. Irrespective of creating history with us etc as some have said, don;t forget the enormous amount of prestige that goes with managing Real or Barca. I think Real's and Mourinho's egos are a marriage made in heaven, so it would be churlish to dismiss it.

A lot of you have missed the full quote from him about a return to England. In summary, he actually said he had unfinished business in England. However, in the same interview he also stated he wanted to manage in Spain at some point as well.

There could be an even stronger argument for someone to say Mourinho's ego and City are also a match made in Heaven.

The young upstart, never taken seriously, despite what they have achieved in ther past.

An egomanic who would derive more pleasure from sticking it up the established old guard in England, rather than win Real Madrid another trophy.

A 'fat lass' of a club, so grateful for being allowed to get it on with a lothario.

We are taught to look at the past to discover the future.

Aside from the money to turn Chelsea into gate-crashing the top table, what exactly was it that attracted newly-annointed Champions League winner Jose Mourinho to that truly massive club Chelsea?

Here should be your answer - the challenge to his ego - for people to take his talents seriously.

Even at Inter, he is not given the credit he feels he deserves. At a club like City, he knows his Special One tag would never again be disputed, making our club the top dog in world football.

 

[Dyed Petya]

Appears to have burned his bridges at Inter in my opinion. Certainly not popular enough with fans or national media in Italy.

Jose asking about a new contract at Inter is very cute. It serves a number of purposes.

Sack me or back me (pay me off)

They have one foot in the quarter-finals of Champs League, boosts player morale if nothing else.

Thirdly, it gives clubs like City, Real Madrid, etc, another wake up call that they need to move fast (this is where Mancini's current uncertainty with the owners, may be a factor)

Everything Jose does and says in football has an objective - all to serve him to the good.

The United link is just ridiculous beyond words. Aside from compensation, manure would somehow have to find DOUBLE Ferguson's wages just to entice him financially.

The reason I keep mentioning Real Madrid, is exactly because it is Real Madrid. There, is a ready-made team of superstars, the ability to get back at Barca.

However, there are outside factors to appreciate. He has a former circle of friends in this country who are already convinced he is City's next manager.

I just believe it is now or never, and he knows it.

Thanks - very interesting.

 

[blucat599]

If Mancini gets 4th there would be no excuse getting rid of him.
They got rid of Sparky because we were slipping away with all the draws and 4th started looking unlikely, doing that ( mid season, with everything still to play for ), was bad enough,
to get rid of another quality manager who has actually "got 4th" for them would be an absolute disgrace in my opinion and I for one would seriously go off City as a club.
The club would simply acquire an evil name and who the hell would want to come here knowing if you can't bring sanity to this basket case in 6 months you'll be out !!

 

[Anonymous]

At a club like City, he knows his Special One tag would never again be disputed, making our club the top dog in world football.

Right, well that's me sold. Mancio out! (kididng!)

 

[Didsbury Dave]

but he seems to be a guy, who comes in to a club wins a few trophies gets bored and leaves.

I will admit, that much of my perspective on this is coloured by my desire for stability,

If he's going to come, win a few trophies and leave, that's fine with me thank you very much.

Do not underestimate what "a few trophies" would do for Manchester City as a football club.

Stability is over-rated.

 

[bluefandk]

but he seems to be a guy, who comes in to a club wins a few trophies gets bored and leaves.

I will admit, that much of my perspective on this is coloured by my desire for stability,

If he's going to come, win a few trophies and leave, that's fine with me thank you very much.

Do not underestimate what "a few trophies" would do for Manchester City as a football club.

Stability is over-rated.

well maybe thats just me getting old mate ;-)

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

but he seems to be a guy, who comes in to a club wins a few trophies gets bored and leaves.

I will admit, that much of my perspective on this is coloured by my desire for stability,

If he's going to come, win a few trophies and leave, that's fine with me thank you very much.

Do not underestimate what "a few trophies" would do for Manchester City as a football club.

Stability is over-rated.

Exactly, Chelsea have still won FA Cup and been to a Champs Final since Jose left.

The fact they haven't won the league since then, should say more about his talents than Chelsea's shortcomings.

He changed the entire mentality of the club from third best team in London, to always demanding top dog.

I'll take a few trophies, too.

A league title or two, an FA Cup win and whatever else, there is not a City fan alive who would even have considered that a possibility just five years ago.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Cracking thread.

I want Mancini to stay and achieve with us. I think he is the right manager at the right time. I don't know why, I just have this gut feeling about Mancini, can't back it up with solid evidence, just a feeling in my water! He seems to have conducted himself very well and quickly identified the weaknesses in the team. Come the summer with his own transfer budget, I can envisage big things on the horizon.

Clealry, Mourinho is a fantastic manager, but more and more I am of the opinion I'd prefer Mancio to stay rather than bring in the special one.

Some of the posts are trying to second guess Mourinho's motivation, but instinctively, I feel he will be at Real come the summer. Irrespective of creating history with us etc as some have said, don;t forget the enormous amount of prestige that goes with managing Real or Barca. I think Real's and Mourinho's egos are a marriage made in heaven, so it would be churlish to dismiss it.

A lot of you have missed the full quote from him about a return to England. In summary, he actually said he had unfinished business in England. However, in the same interview he also stated he wanted to manage in Spain at some point as well.

There could be an even stronger argument for someone to say Mourinho's ego and City are also a match made in Heaven.

The young upstart, never taken seriously, despite what they have achieved in ther past.

An egomanic who would derive more pleasure from sticking it up the established old guard in England, rather than win Real Madrid another trophy.

A 'fat lass' of a club, so grateful for being allowed to get it on with a lothario.

We are taught to look at the past to discover the future.

Aside from the money to turn Chelsea into gate-crashing the top table, what exactly was it that attracted newly-annointed Champions League winner Jose Mourinho to that truly massive club Chelsea?

Here should be your answer - the challenge to his ego - for people to take his talents seriously.

Even at Inter, he is not given the credit he feels he deserves. At a club like City, he knows his Special One tag would never again be disputed, making our club the top dog in world football.

We're going to get accused of being a Cabal again, Tolmie, but this is my opinion too.

In business, the truly great high-fliers want to turn a failure into a success. And most of them do it for personal recognition - for ego reasons. It's a great motivator.

As a squad and team we are better than we are given credit for in my opinion. It wouldn't require huge personnel changes to get us to the very top.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

A factor that never gets mentioned is that the young Mourinho was a student of Sports Science, in Portugal. His father was goalkeeping coach at Vittoria Setubal and asked the manager, an innovative coach, if his son could come down to training sessions. The manager was happy to oblige and Jose has ackonwledged that he was heavily influenced by the approach and attitude of the manager.

The manager's name was Malcolm Allison and I think Jose would see it as his destiny to repeat his mentor's success at the club where he made his reputation.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

There could be an even stronger argument for someone to say Mourinho's ego and City are also a match made in Heaven.

The young upstart, never taken seriously, despite what they have achieved in ther past.

An egomanic who would derive more pleasure from sticking it up the established old guard in England, rather than win Real Madrid another trophy.

A 'fat lass' of a club, so grateful for being allowed to get it on with a lothario.

We are taught to look at the past to discover the future.

Aside from the money to turn Chelsea into gate-crashing the top table, what exactly was it that attracted newly-annointed Champions League winner Jose Mourinho to that truly massive club Chelsea?

Here should be your answer - the challenge to his ego - for people to take his talents seriously.

Even at Inter, he is not given the credit he feels he deserves. At a club like City, he knows his Special One tag would never again be disputed, making our club the top dog in world football.

We're going to get accused of being a Cabal again, Tolmie, but this is my opinion too.

In business, the truly great high-fliers want to turn a failure into a success. And most of them do it for personal recognition - for ego reasons. It's a great motivator.

As a squad and team we are better than we are given credit for in my opinion. It wouldn't require huge personnel changes to get us to the very top.

I agree with this last statement, entirely. It is the best squad in the league, however it has not been utilised to the max at present.

The players coming in next will only be the ones who can push us over the top.

It will still cost best part of £200m to watch this realised, I believe that moment could be just a couple of months away.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

If Mancini gets 4th there would be no excuse getting rid of him.
They got rid of Sparky because we were slipping away with all the draws and 4th started looking unlikely, doing that ( mid season, with everything still to play for ), was bad enough,
to get rid of another quality manager who has actually "got 4th" for them would be an absolute disgrace in my opinion and I for one would seriously go off City as a club.
The club would simply acquire an evil name and who the hell would want to come here knowing if you can't bring sanity to this basket case in 6 months you'll be out !!

If this happens, there will be a bit of a hullabaloo in the press for a day or two.

However City and Mancini can probably manage that by being relatively honest about Mancini's short term appointment.

If Mourinho came on board, the excitement amongst City fans would be palpable, especially once he started attracting world names. Remember when Keegan came? We all forgot about Joe Royle.

Mancini would be forgotten if he started winning every week.

Storm in a teacup. I think our owners are desperate for Mourinho and would take the short term pain.

Anyway, Mancini hasn't convinced me he will get 4th anyway, so this might all be irrelevant.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

A factor that never gets mentioned is that the young Mourinho was a student of Sports Science, in Portugal. His father was goalkeeping coach at Vittoria Setubal and asked the manager, an innovative coach, if his son could come down to training sessions. The manager was happy to oblige and Jose has ackonwledged that he was heavily influenced by the approach and attitude of the manager.

The manager's name was Malcolm Allison and I think Jose would see it as his destiny to repeat his mentor's success at the club where he made his reputation.

You may well be closer to the truth than you think, mate!

 

[blucat599]

Sorry to break your reverie but I am of the opinion that Mourinho doesn't fancy us, he has never given any impression of wanting the job at City.
whereas there have been upteen rumours that he would love the rags red hot seat, but fergie thinks he's going to live forever.
The way he drinks, that is debateable! :)

 

[Anonymous]

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Have a read of that.

Sounds to be doing well enough. I guess you never can predict what's going to happen at that club though.

I think I'll support them in Europe....

Ha ha! Me too...

...not because I'm desperate for Mourinho though - but because I'm curious to see what his next move will be, if Pellegrini keeps his job.

I know Tolmie and a few others think Mourinho has burnt his bridges at Inter, but I'm not so sure. I think there's a level of brinksmanship going on between Moratti and Jose, and I imagine the root of it will not be anything other than Jose's transfer budget at Inter - because lets face it - that is the only thing standing in the way of him winning the champions league, which is what he was employed to do in the first place.

Nobody has mentioned the strained relationship between Mourinho and Mancini either. There's no question that Mancini's resignation after the Liverpool CL game a few years back was due to the fact word had spread that Mourinho had agreed to take his job. I find it really hard to believe that Mancini would again put himself in a position where he would be losing another job to the special one.

There's so many variables...but the most important one for our future is still finishing 4th this season...

 

[Didsbury Dave]

A factor that never gets mentioned is that the young Mourinho was a student of Sports Science, in Portugal. His father was goalkeeping coach at Vittoria Setubal and asked the manager, an innovative coach, if his son could come down to training sessions. The manager was happy to oblige and Jose has ackonwledged that he was heavily influenced by the approach and attitude of the manager.

The manager's name was Malcolm Allison and I think Jose would see it as his destiny to repeat his mentor's success at the club where he made his reputation.

You may well be closer to the truth than you think, mate!

Ah, PB, the cabal is complete.

Not sure I buy the Allison link to be honest, I'd be surprised if that was a factor.

It would be lovely if it was. Big Mal could be ultimately resposible for City's rise to prominance - again!

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

If Mancini gets 4th there would be no excuse getting rid of him.
They got rid of Sparky because we were slipping away with all the draws and 4th started looking unlikely, doing that ( mid season, with everything still to play for ), was bad enough,
to get rid of another quality manager who has actually "got 4th" for them would be an absolute disgrace in my opinion and I for one would seriously go off City as a club.
The club would simply acquire an evil name and who the hell would want to come here knowing if you can't bring sanity to this basket case in 6 months you'll be out !!

If this happens, there will be a bit of a hullabaloo in the press for a day or two.

However City and Mancini can probably manage that by being relatively honest about Mancini's short term appointment.

If Mourinho came on board, the excitement amongst City fans would be palpable, especially once he started attracting world names. Remember when Keegan came? We all forgot about Joe Royle.

Mancini would be forgotten if he started winning every week.

Storm in a teacup. I think our owners are desperate for Mourinho and would take the short term pain.

Anyway, Mancini hasn't convinced me he will get 4th anyway, so this might all be irrelevant.

You're forgetting every facet of the national media in this country.

Jose arriving back in England, they would wet themselves for ages. I would wager the release of Mancini would not be met with any derision whatsoever, apart from the off-ed smart arse pieces from a Holt or Winter.

There is an argument for saying Jose would actually have the media looking a lot more positive towards us again - at least until they scene any notion the masterplan was going tits-up.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Sorry to break your reverie but I am of the opinion that Mourinho doesn't fancy us, he has never given any impression of wanting the job at City.

No offence mate but that just isn't true.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Sounds to be doing well enough. I guess you never can predict what's going to happen at that club though.

I think I'll support them in Europe....

Ha ha! Me too...

...not because I'm desperate for Mourinho though - but because I'm curious to see what his next move will be, if Pellegrini keeps his job.

I know Tolmie and a few others think Mourinho has burnt his bridges at Inter, but I'm not so sure. I think there's a level of brinksmanship going on between Moratti and Jose, and I imagine the root of it will not be anything other than Jose's transfer budget at Inter - because lets face it - that is the only thing standing in the way of him winning the champions league, which is what he was employed to do in the first place.

Nobody has mentioned the strained relationship between Mourinho and Mancini either. There's no question that Mancini's resignation after the Liverpool CL game a few years back was due to the fact word had spread that Mourinho had agreed to take his job. I find it really hard to believe that Mancini would again put himself in a position where he would be losing another job to the special one.

There's so many variables...but the most important one for our future is still finishing 4th this season...

That's a fair overview, Billy.

But the rationale is simpler in terms of how football usually works.

Jose has over two years remaining on the richest footballing contract in the world. He may yet deliver the Champs League this season.

But to offer an extension to somebody who has courted so much controversy, and will continue to do so, doesn't appear to make sound business sense on the part of Moratti and his family.

At this stage in his time with Inter, it won't be a question of personal monies, probably more length of contract.

And Jose certainly won't be staying in Italy for another five years.

Think it's a simpler of case of Jose telling all interested parties, 'look at me'.

Just as he did to the English FA, before legging them over for Inter.

 

[C_T_I_D]

No offence mate but that just isn't true.

I know that he wishes to return to the premier league because of his dislike for Italian football, despite probably winning the league with Inter Milan this season as far as I am aware. Unlimited resources, pulling power, nice pay packet for Mourinho, used to the league and the way teams play, media darling etc - it all adds up on top of his accomplishments and him being a big name. Why wouldn't they want him and why wouldn't he want to come?

Whether he does or not remains to be seen, but I can't see him going to Liverpool unless they receive investment even if Liverpool fail to claim fourth and I can't see him going to the rags because he'd have Whiskey Nose breathing down his neck at every opportunity and them having extremely limited resources regardless of a take-over if they fail to gain investment and fast.

Mourinho would have the opportunity to make this job his own and he'll know that. I don't, for one second, doubt that he is watching developments very closely. I think if he wants the position then the job is as good as his, whether Mancini gets fourth or not.

 

[blucat599]

I accept your point DD that the din of the arrival of the biggest manager in the world at City would override all other considerations, we might be more likely to get him if Mancini got us 4th place.
I'm pretty sure the owner would be tempted if it became a choice between sticking with Mancio or swapping for the special one, would be a bit sickening though!
Mourinho is a great great manager, could he bring us the success we crave?