Prestwich_Blue
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In my book it says his team has won the PL 3 times, come second 3 times, won 4 FA Cups and 2 League Cups. Not forgetting a CL win and being a losing finalist. Doesn't sound too atrocious to me.Blue Heaven said:
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Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the club
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blueinsa
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Prestwich_Blue said:In my book it says his team has won the PL 3 times, come second 3 times, won 4 FA Cups and 2 League Cups. Not forgetting a CL win and being a losing finalist. Doesn't sound too atrocious to me.Blue Heaven said:Roman is an atrocious owner in my book.
Exactly the opinion I expressed before.
Stability for the sake of it?
No thanks.
Prestwich_Blue said:In my book it says his team has won the PL 3 times, come second 3 times, won 4 FA Cups and 2 League Cups. Not forgetting a CL win and being a losing finalist. Doesn't sound too atrocious to me.Blue Heaven said:Roman is an atrocious owner in my book.
Our owners are investing into football and Manchester City Football Club for completely different reasons than the Russian.
No-one has suggested stability for the sake of it.
But one title and nine managers in the last six years for one of the biggest spenders in the league isn't a good return IMO. And I think they could have done better if they didn't have this policy of sacking the manager every time the players decide to down tools and piss their position in the league away.
Champions League was great for them, FA Cups are great for them. But I reckon their success has been in spite of their hiring and firing policy, not because of it.
But one title and nine managers in the last six years for one of the biggest spenders in the league isn't a good return IMO. And I think they could have done better if they didn't have this policy of sacking the manager every time the players decide to down tools and piss their position in the league away.
Champions League was great for them, FA Cups are great for them. But I reckon their success has been in spite of their hiring and firing policy, not because of it.
BlueCityfan
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moomba said:No-one has suggested stability for the sake of it.
But one title and nine managers in the last six years for one of the biggest spenders in the league isn't a good return IMO. And I think they could have done better if they didn't have this policy of sacking the manager every time the players decide to down tools and piss their position in the league away.
Champions League was great for them, FA Cups are great for them. But I reckon their success has been in spite of their hiring and firing policy, not because of it.
Winning 1 league title with the amount Mancini has spent should not make him untouchable. While he won the league, he got eliminated 2 times in a row in the CL group stages. Same with the FA cup last season.
Good season in the League last season. But hardly a miracle with the squad he had....but awful in the rest of the competitions (expect the carling cup). This season he did even worse in the CL (how he has managed that i never know)....and is doing worse in the league as well. People have every right to question whether he is the man to take City forward from here.
But tbf, he couldn't have done much better in the 2010/2011 season. That was a great season.
BlueCityfan said:Winning 1 league title with the amount Mancini has spent should not make him untouchable. While he won the league, he got eliminated 2 times in a row in the CL group stages. Same with the FA cup last season.
Good season in the League last season. But hardly a miracle with the squad he had....but awful in the rest of the competitions (expect the carling cup). This season he did even worse in the CL (how he has managed that i never know)....and is doing worse in the league as well. People have every right to question whether he is the man to take City forward from here.
But tbf, he couldn't have done much better in the 2010/2011 season. That was a great season.
Again, we need to separate the "Chelsea way" debate from the debate on whether or not Mancini should stay.
They are two totally separate things.
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blueinsa
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moomba said:BlueCityfan said:Winning 1 league title with the amount Mancini has spent should not make him untouchable. While he won the league, he got eliminated 2 times in a row in the CL group stages. Same with the FA cup last season.
Good season in the League last season. But hardly a miracle with the squad he had....but awful in the rest of the competitions (expect the carling cup). This season he did even worse in the CL (how he has managed that i never know)....and is doing worse in the league as well. People have every right to question whether he is the man to take City forward from here.
But tbf, he couldn't have done much better in the 2010/2011 season. That was a great season.
Again, we need to separate the "Chelsea way" debate from the debate on whether or not Mancini should stay.
They are two totally separate things.
With the exception of the rags and recently, Arsenal, all clubs operate "the Chelsea way" mate.
Luckily for Chelsea, they have huge amounts of money and they have some real quality players.
Had they won nowt I could understand and would probably agree that they have gone about things the wrong way but they have, therefore rubbishing that opinion.
It might be a little unpalatable to some and that's fair enough but it has worked for Roman and Chelsea.
blueinsa said:With the exception of the rags and recently, Arsenal, all clubs operate "the Chelsea way" mate.
Disagree with that.
And I still maintain that they would have achieved more success had they not been so quick to hire and fire at the first sign of discontent from the players.
MSP
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Chelsea is not completely the way I'd run my business as I find their sacking of Ancelotti and Di Matteo laughable ones but Didsbury Dave is 100% right when he says that some City fans are suffering from United complex and as such believe the only way you'd win stuff if you keep manager for 56 years.
Well, Everton and Arsenal fans disagree.
Well, Everton and Arsenal fans disagree.
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blueinsa
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moomba said:blueinsa said:With the exception of the rags and recently, Arsenal, all clubs operate "the Chelsea way" mate.
Disagree with that.
And I still maintain that they would have achieved more success had they not been so quick to hire and fire at the first sign of discontent from the players.
Conjecture as to whether they would have won more and we can argue that till the cows come home but their record aint bad.
As for disagreeing about all clubs except those, name the ones that copy the rags and are successful as im at a lost.
Two of the most successful club sides in world football, Barca and real change manager/coach more than we change underwear and it doesn't stop them.
Build a quality squad, hire a quality coach with the right balance of tactical ability and man management and you will reap the rewards.
Personnel can change but the formula remains the same as far as im concerned.